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Ok so ok so Body press (261x80) is at 21360 and brick break (75x361) is at 27075, the point at which brick break out powers body press would be anything above 71.2 (72) Evs in attack

For the Atk invested Bulk up set why not slash brick break instead of body press? There’s no way the 5 bp difference outweighs full atk investment.

While this isn’t a political science thesis by no means does that mean that the rules for evaluating arguments no longer apply for some reason, if anything they should be more valued as this is a thread on making ARGUMENTS as to whether or not said mon should be banned. Just reading through the...

Leech seed still heals the ferrothorn without damaging me through magic guard, no message appears in chat. Can be seen on turns 31, 32, and 33 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7ou-883611195

I'm going to have to disagree as even though Mag and Rachi are on the rise which hurts Zam, the rise of Zapdos and to an extent Rotom discourages Lopunny use which is the main reason why Zam so often ran timid, this is allowing Modest Zam to reenter the spotlight.

I would like to nominate Roserade to move up to A-. With how water filled the metagame is currently we have seen the rise of Shaymin as a counter for them. On more of my offensive teams I thought, why not Roserade? Roserade brings with it fairly nice stopping power with LeaF Storm and Sludge...

I would like to voice my support for Mega Gallade to S. Mega Gallade is a fearsome mon to come up against for any team. Swords dance allows it to dismantle all stall that doesn't have a living Mega-Sableye, and it's 110 Speed and 165 attack stats allow it to do a number on offense with...

Alright now that CancerMence is gone its time to look at some of the other mons of the tier. Raikou ==> A- The electrics have really become better with the ORAS shift and outspeeding the influx of 110 speeds is amazing. Excellent at grabbing momentum with Specs Volt Switch, a good check to...

I was just wondering if it were possible for Victini to be dropped down with this wave as well since it has some new friends to deal with (Mence, Altaria, Zyguarde) since its banning. It also checks a good number of the new Megas with its scarf set. Can we please get the POS known as Togekiss...

Alomomola A- ==> A- People keep saying that with tini gone it lost some utility but I would like to ask how this is true when bolt strike is a thing that exists, Big Luvdisc never countered Tini just as how Slowbro didn't. Swampert A+ ==> A Although it lost some utility with Tini being gone it...

I would now like to nominate Dragonite to A+ rank. With Mawile and Aegi gone his Choice Band Set is even more dangerous. CB is absolutely ridiculous to switch into unless your name is Azumarill, CBB is a good check to the wildly popular Landorus and Keldeo. Ever since the banhammer started...

And the slippery slope begins.... On a more serious note can we please allow the meta to settle a little between tests, it has been 3 Fucking Days and ORAS is coming pretty soon which could make these bans pointless. Now that the principle thing is over its time to get on topic. In my opinion...

Would you please explain how Aegislash fucked Togekiss when A: Most Aegislash didn't run Flash Cannon, B: Togekiss has great special bulk, and C: Togekiss has Fire Blast.... Yeah Togekiss shouldn't be moving up anytime soon.

I would like to propose we move Bisharp down to A. Although it is still an excellent pursuit trapper and can spam knock off like nobodies business, Bisharp has lost a lot of effectiveness due to the Deo Bans. Hazard HO is nowhere near as prevalent as it was and that severely harms bisharps...

Ahem inferior spread?!?! Why the hell wouldn't you use the spread that allows you to wall the majority of the things the other spread does as well as some other metagame defining threats and making you bulky on both sides whilst STILL wrecking stall. Yeah, inferior spread alright.

To me it seems that the reason Aegislash has been so controversial is the fact that a suspect like this is unprecedented. We have never banned anything quite like Aegislash in the history of Smogon, nor have we truly had anything like it in the metagame(s) (the closest comparisons I can think...

Might I ask when I said that Head Smash was used by high level players? If I did then it was a wording issue because i definitely think that. In terms of roles I will give you SubToxic (I also said that this set was fantastic) however SD is simply a subpar sweeper and there is a reason that...

Can we please just drop Conkeldurr to C rank (if not lower). It is simply not effective anymore and loses to a majority of top threats. Ass Vest lacks signifigant power not to mention weaknesses to the ever common flying and fairy moves floating around. Conk cannot keep up in the current...

Replies in Bold. I will agree with you that Aegi is centralizing (i mean look at how many mons are unviable just because of Aegi), i will also agree that it is not broken as it really only has Pseudo-Versatility. No matter what switches it makes Aegislash has always been just a great pivot and...

There seems to be an issue popping up in the viability rankings that is causing some very specific pokemon to rise and fall between the same ranks continuously and I would like to address the issue of The Fly Spam Cycle. Start of Metagame, Fly Spam Arises (Pinsir to S), Fly spam counters arise...