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Also I'm glad not the only one who wants Bolt gone more than Gambit, I find Bolt genuinely harder to deal with than Gambit since I find counterplay more limited than gambit. Also, I think Gliscor is moreso obnoxious than broken, since unlike in DLC1 it has actual answers and is actually...

Yeah they are like at the top of my list. Waterpon and Kyurem gotta go Idk what the other three are, Ghold I think would be like 4 not because it's not broken but because it is inherently unhealthy and it going would allow spinners to actually work 3 Is like moon, it's an annoying matchup...

Well I mean you guys chose to keep tera, so that might be the issue. I will say though I do respect the efforts of the community to balance a meta around it even if I kinda feel like its impossible. Warms my heart to see that

I think A+ is as high as Darkrai goes simply because it can really get worn down hard by hazards and needs to really predict sometimes. If it's stabs were any stronger than they are this mon would be broken. Kinda glad Darkrai is kinda hazard weak and frail because if it had anymore bulk than it...

Alright, now that rain is gone could we expect more discussion on iron crown and potential action since it seems like the only controversial thing left here?

I swear Iron Crown hard carries the paradox swords of justice competitive wise and design wise

Honestly to preserve rain as I playstyle, I kind of hope pelipper gets the boot, because pelliper seems to be breaking a lot of stuff Then iron crown can be looked at

I personally think tera is responsible for a lot of issues, but hey I guess it will take numerous bans to get to that point for a lot of people if stuff like Weavile goes. And while I do know tera is likely to stay, we can't not acknowledge that it is still arguably problematic and if enough...

Honestly these rises from a while ago makes me think that it looks like the meta is getting a bit fatter, and they seem to benefit fraxure of all things as mold breaker + being a generally scary pokemon to switch into even for fairies after it sets up. Has fraxure gotten better in NFE or worse...

Then again so is gambit, and I think as long as tera exists both are gonna be an issue Also iron Crown would have risen if we had one month shifts, seems it beat fraud allegations We are so Crownback Nope, tera is still here and Kyurem and Waterpon are too so only time will tell if the...

And it kind of feels like the current ubers philosophy is not always the best anyway even up in ubers, since Miradon definitely should have been removed but due to higher ban thresholds despite having over 60% it wasn’t removed I do agree that we should tier more like any other tier with the...

In other words, if you want action get better at the game I guess? And yeah a lot of those people left probably. But you have a point. Well there were attempts to make a temporary no tera ladder that fell through, so I mean we should try that. Technically it is not the best solution but I...

Not anytime soon, possibly never because playerbase is dumb sometimes... That is true, but the combination of these offensive and defensive things enable too much and ultimately requires too many bans to maintain and makes teambuilding unfun. Not worth keeping at all At this point just test a...

Yep this guy is probably an issue and probably needs a suspect

Yes and that has been one thing I have been saying, but let's just focus on a Waterpon or a 2nd Kyurem suspect since their brokenness ties to other stuff. Done with the philosophical stuff now so no need

I'm surprised people voted out Volc, thought it was gonna be a lot more contentious At this point though, when we ban everything like what are we left with? That's why I'm against tera being here as I still see it making the meta worse when all the brokens go because it enables the worst...

Tera is bad for the meta, it should have went

Honestly Rain and Iron Crown seem like the most obvious suspects/bans at the moment. Iron Crown is a matchup fish and very difficult to check/counter like Golt was if your team is weak to it plus all the other tera variance making it stupid to deal with, and just overall being an unhealthy...

Tornadus-T is metagame king again with Zapdos around the corner, nature is healing...

Honestly though as I said though Lugia was busted in the room test so we should probably not talk about dropping unless tera goes in the distant future, since at least then it would be a little more reasonable to test with it being shackled to psychic flying