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Well, I don't think abilities will be passed down, if that was the case, what would stop pokemon from having abilites out of both the dream world and their normal abilites? But I'm sure once a pokesav is out for B/W, there really wouldn't be a need for The Dream World

Well with the numerous errors Serebii has all the time, I really don't know if that can be trusted. But the Dream World could change the game epicly, or fail horribly...

Oh gawd I agree. I'm not into pokesav much, but I would happily dive deep into the sav if you have to do something like Neopets.

Meh, things would suck if the pokemon had pre-set stats. Think of modest Mence with Overconfidence/Earthquake Spiral.

So basically, eveything is random?

If it isn't even up and running, then how do we know all this information about the pokemon abilities?

Well, I Understand a bit about the Dream World, but How does it actually work? Do you randomly encounter the pokemon? Or is it event wise? Do they have random IVs and natures or set stats? Can they be found shiny or only stay they're original form. Serebii explained alittle, but there is still...

Oh lawdy, the little pink pimp is going to be useful ow. I agree, Choice Scarf Ditto may be the ultimate Revenge killer, but that doesn't make him perfect. He still takes neutral damage from stealth Rocks, Doesn't avoid Spikes or toxic spikes and can still be affected by weather depending on who...

Well, there is alot of pokemon that can wall the Ddance set, I really don't see the problem there, but the Mixmence set is the problem.

Why do you people really have to resort to cursing and insulting people to make your point? Anyway How is using a Weavile a Handicap? Weavile isn't as useless as you make it seem, Also, if Weavile Ice Shard/Punch A mence, its as good as gone With or without SR/Spikes/TS. Maybe I used the wrong...

Isn't it the job for ANY pokemon to kill another pokemon? Thats what all sweepers made for, to sweep. Thats the point of revenge killing, so you can get your kill back. And just like He can switch out a pokemon, YOU can switch out your pokemon. Also, calling weavile a waste of a slot is a lie...

Okay, I think everybody can agree that there isn't no Concrete switch-ins for mence, depending on the set. But for Revenge killing? Come on now, If i'm a noob for saying this, then please tell me, but isn't Weavile a good revenge killer for mence? I mean, its Base speed is Higher Than mix mence...

Its called REVENGE kill for a reason, meaning its going to have to kill a pokemon to revenge kill. And Revenge Killing a Mence all depends on the set that a mence has. And its not like your NOT going to lose a pokemon in a battle. Also, do you ALWAYS switch when you see a mence? Its not like...

Basically we are banning Mence because he has no decent switch ins? As I see it now, Mence really doesn't have any concrete switch-ins giving its large move pool, BUT just because it doesn't have any body that can switch into Mence it is considered broken? Mence can be revenge killed with NO...

He is right, Porygon 2 is a great counter to MANY pokemon in the OU tier. I don't know why he is over looked, but He is great. He can put a end to ANY and ALL of mence's sets. He can switch into both draco meteor AND Outrage, And 0HKO mence without a problem. You guys was asking for a counter...

Porygon 2 Does seem like a Decent Mence counter. It has a useful ability, Which is helpful in Porygon2 case, And it can survive enough hits from mence to 0HKO it with no problem and with Trace, to copy intimdate, it CAN switch into a Outrage.

Also, I would like to say one more thing before I go to bed...Aren't you guys waiting a bit late to ban some of these pokemon? He is going to be banned for a little of 4 months, and by that time, Black and White is going to be out, and, like all new pokemon games do, change the entire Tier list...

I know this question might be getting off track with the mence thing, but can somebody explain to me what makes a pokemon OU? I always thought OU pokemon are OU because they do there job the best. Mence is a Sweeper, and he does his job the best. Blissey is a tank, and she does her job the best...

Then whats the point of making him OU then???? He is just OU to make him look cool?

Yo guys keep saying Gimmicks...When did weavile become A gimmick Pokemon? Weaviles Base Speed is Faster Then Mence, Can Easily 0HKO mence, Normally Runs Ice Shard, Last time I check, Priority moves aren't gimmicks and are actually useful in times like DD mence, and normally runs a Focus sash...