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pqs

Banned deucer.
Hey guys, to start off the US/UM Resource Thread, i'd like to introduce you to Lycanroc-D, it's a very niche Pokemon that should be at least D.
--Set--

THE dog (Lycanroc-Dusk) @ Lycanium Z
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 228 Atk / 104 Def / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Bulk Up
- Taunt/Accelerock/Substitute
- Thunder Fang/Drill Run

Wins
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 566-668 (124.6 - 147.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (wins against all variants except special scarf)
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 518-612 (143.8 - 170%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 1384-1632 (465.9 - 549.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 358-423 (104.3 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO (wins against all variants except scarf)
+1 228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 441-519 (114.2 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Bulk Up T1, and then kill.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir: 564-666 (208.1 - 245.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 402-474 (87.2 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO - Best play is to Taunt turn 1 + Bulk Up Turn 2 then Splintered Stormshards.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 379-447 (121.8 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meloetta: 351-414 (102.9 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 375-442 (53.3 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - Taunt T1, and Bulk Up twice.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 513-604 (71.8 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - SS T1 + Bulk Up T2 + Stone Edge T3
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 402-474 (145.1 - 171.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Losses

252 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 368-434 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 308-366 (105.8 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Venusaur-Mega Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 272-324 (93.4 - 111.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk in Electric Terrain: 519-612 (178.3 - 210.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
8 Atk Aggron-Mega Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 426-504 (146.3 - 173.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 542-638 (186.2 - 219.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Magearna Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 558-656 (191.7 - 225.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 340-402 (116.8 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 560-660 (192.4 - 226.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mimikyu Let's Snuggle Forever vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 297-349 (102 - 119.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Hope they're CurseKyu or SD turn one.
0 SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 348-411 (119.5 - 141.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO - and thats 0 investment
252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 746-882 (256.3 - 303%) -- guaranteed OHKO - The Endeavor set can be stopped if Lycanroc has Substitute.

Overall: Lycanroc-D is a niche mon that can surprisingly do very well against other Pokemon. And its one of my favorites ^_^
 

Nalei

strong, wild garbage
is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus
Hey guys, to start off the US/UM Resource Thread, i'd like to introduce you to Lycanroc-D, it's a very niche Pokemon that should be at least D.
--Set--

THE dog (Lycanroc-Dusk) @ Lycanium Z
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 228 Atk / 104 Def / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Bulk Up
- Taunt/Accelerock/Substitute
- Thunder Fang/Drill Run

Wins
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 566-668 (124.6 - 147.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (wins against all variants except special scarf)
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 518-612 (143.8 - 170%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 1384-1632 (465.9 - 549.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 358-423 (104.3 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO (wins against all variants except scarf)
+1 228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 441-519 (114.2 - 134.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Bulk Up T1, and then kill.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Pinsir: 564-666 (208.1 - 245.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Snorlax: 402-474 (87.2 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO - Best play is to Taunt turn 1 + Bulk Up Turn 2 then Splintered Stormshards.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 379-447 (121.8 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meloetta: 351-414 (102.9 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 375-442 (53.3 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - Taunt T1, and Bulk Up twice.
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 513-604 (71.8 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - SS T1 + Bulk Up T2 + Stone Edge T3
228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 402-474 (145.1 - 171.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Losses

252 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 368-434 (126.4 - 149.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Slowbro-Mega Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 308-366 (105.8 - 125.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Venusaur-Mega Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 272-324 (93.4 - 111.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk in Electric Terrain: 519-612 (178.3 - 210.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
8 Atk Aggron-Mega Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 426-504 (146.3 - 173.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega High Jump Kick vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 542-638 (186.2 - 219.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Magearna Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 558-656 (191.7 - 225.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Mawile-Mega Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 340-402 (116.8 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 560-660 (192.4 - 226.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mimikyu Let's Snuggle Forever vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 297-349 (102 - 119.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO - Hope they're CurseKyu or SD turn one.
0 SpA Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 348-411 (119.5 - 141.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO - and thats 0 investment
252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 746-882 (256.3 - 303%) -- guaranteed OHKO - The Endeavor set can be stopped if Lycanroc has Substitute.

Overall: Lycanroc-D is a niche mon that can surprisingly do very well against other Pokemon. And its one of my favorites ^_^
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 295-348 (101.3 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It does not win against all Kyubs except special Scarf as you claimed.

+1 252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. +1 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 302-356 (103.7 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It does not win against Dnite as you claimed (Dragonite can either use DDance or hold a Choice Band).

228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Snorlax: 291-343 (63.1 - 74.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Snorlax Breakneck Blitz (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 186-219 (63.9 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Snorlax Double-Edge vs. +1 0 HP / 104 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 78-93 (26.8 - 31.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
It only 50/50s Snorlax.

252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 262-309 (90 - 106.1%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
It only wins 2/3 times.

228 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Meloetta: 351-414 (86.8 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Meloetta Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 340-402 (116.8 - 138.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
It does not beat Meloetta as you claimed.

I do not support Lycanroc-Dusk being ranked.
 

charizard8888

Catch The Wave
is a Forum Moderator Alumnus
Lycanroc-Dusk @ Choice Band
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Outrage
- Iron Head / Brick Break
- Fire Fang / Giga Impact

It can defeat
Mega Charizard X and Y
Tapu Lele
Tapu Lele is one of those Pokemon which I don't use so I'll refer to the usage stats for the EVs
Modest:136/0/252/100/0/20 21.743% | |
Timid:0/0/0/252/4/252 8.656% | |
Timid:248/0/0/8/0/252 5.993% | |
Modest:236/0/192/16/0/64 5.755% | |
Modest:200/0/56/252/0/0 4.272% | |
Modest:248/0/92/160/0/8 3.919%

+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Iron Head vs. 136 HP / 252 Def Tapu Lele: 300-354 (95.2 - 112.3%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Iron Head vs. 236 HP / 192 Def Tapu Lele: 318-376 (93.5 - 110.5%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Iron Head vs. 248 HP / 92 Def Tapu Lele: 356-420 (103.7 - 122.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

That's 62.5% of winning + there's 6.30% of crit and then again flinch so it mostly wins

Mega Pinsir
Porygon-Z mostly
Golem 30% Iron Head flinch
Non Scarf and Non-Mega Garchomp

Some Zygarde sets too
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 402-474 (95.7 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Outrage vs. 12 HP / 20 Def Zygarde-10%: 610-718 (242 - 284.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Terrakion
Jumpluff 50/50
Kartana
Specs Genesect
Mega Gardevoir
Sawk 30% Iron Head
Blacephalon
Then there's Kommo-o as well
Alolan Marowak
Nihilego
Mega Pidgeot
Thundurus-T
Landorus 30% Iron Head
Archeops 50/50
Mega Abomasnow
Non Scarf Tapu Bulu 30% Iron Head
Most Hoopa-U I think [Not sure about Hoopa-U EVs]
Non-Scarf Infernape
Victini
Most Ferrothorn I think (+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Fire Fang vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ferrothorn: 340-400 (96.5 - 113.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO)
Mega Altaria is a 50/50 (+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Altaria-Mega: 292-344 (82.4 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO)
Mega Tyranitar (If carrying Brick Break +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Brick Break vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Tyranitar-Mega: 396-468 (98 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO or 30% flinch)
Giga Impact gets Mega Medicham, Hoopa-U guaranteed, 44% chance vs Meloetta, Pokemon like Infernape, Porygon-Z with more accuracy, and other like Keldeo, Mew if you manage to get a crit

Lycanroc-Dusk @ Lycanium Z
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Def / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Bulk Up
- Taunt
- Substitute / Counter

Kyurem-Black

Prediction-based; Bulk Up Turn 1 if you predict bulky Kyub otherwise straightaway Z (Special Kyub wins)
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 247-292 (79.4 - 93.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

16 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Subzero Slammer (200 BP) vs. +1 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 238-282 (76.5 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
52+ Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Subzero Slammer (200 BP) vs. +1 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 268-316 (86.1 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
+1 0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Kyurem-Black: 524-620 (115.4 - 136.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mega Charizard
0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 112 HP / 244 Def Charizard-Mega-X: 348-410 (107 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 64 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 1060-1252 (295.2 - 348.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Porygon-Z
252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 80 HP / 0 SpD Lycanroc-Dusk: 262-309 (84.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Porygon-Z: 313-369 (100.6 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Dragonite
Bulk Up then Z | Would lose to Z-Draco Meteor and such Z Move sets though
252+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. +1 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 252-298 (81 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 366-432 (113.3 - 133.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 366-432 (94.8 - 111.9%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Mega Gardevoir
0 Atk Lycanroc-Dusk Splintered Stormshards vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 331-391 (97.6 - 115.3%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

Counter and Taunt can sometimes get bulky Mega Gyarados
0 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 260-308 (83.6 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0+ Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. 80 HP / 252 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 288-338 (92.6 - 108.6%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
It also helps in defeating Jirachi, Most Mega Tyranitar, and such mons

I agree with pqs, Lycanroc is a decent niche mon which can defeat some high ranked Pokemon and deserves at least C- to D Rank
 

The Official Glyx

Banned deucer.
Hello! It's your favorite Glyx here, providing a nomination for one of the newer threats introduced into the metagame:

Naganadel



There are no gifs of it yet, I'm sorry ;-;
Naganadel @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 56 HP / 184 SpA / 68 SpD / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Wave
- Fire Blast
- Air Slash

This beast's role is pretty simple, hit hard, run fast. The particular speed tier makes it just fast enough for it to outpace Modest/Adamant/etc Tapu Koko, meaning it gets to save a lot of EVs on bulk now that it only has to worry about Timid/Jolly/Naive/etc damage, and as such, it only needs 56 HP to guaranteed withstand either of Tapu Koko's Electric type Z-moves. The additional Special Defense, however, is for the purpose of guaranteed withstanding a Timid Charizard-Y's Blast Burn. I went with Timid for this bulk tier because Timid with 252 SpA EVs is the most powerful commonly used spread on Charizard-Y, according to usage statistics; Modest spreads DO exist, but most of them actually have LESS SpA than the generic Timid 252 SpA spread. The remaining EVs all went into SpA to give it as viable of a chance at OHKO-ing max HP Charizard-X as it can have.

The moves are pretty straightforward; Draco Meteor hits just about everything you would want it to, Sludge Wave takes care of Fairies, Fire Blast takes on Steel types while also giving it somewhat of a chance vs Metagross, Jirachi, and Celesteela.

Flamethrower
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 254-300 (84.3 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 254-300 (69.7 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jirachi: 276-326 (80.9 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Celesteela: 274-324 (68.8 - 81.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Fire Blast
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 310-366 (102.9 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 310-366 (85.1 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 336-396 (98.5 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
184 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Celesteela: 334-394 (83.9 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


At the end of the day, Fire Blast is better as long as you can land the hits, but Flamethrower is more reliable. Lastly, Air Slash doesn't really hit much offensively besides Heracross and Buzzwole, but it is the best move for hoping to cheese certain threats into a win like Donphan, Crustle, FEAR, Avalugg, and Sawk.

In conclusion, I believe this Dragon Beedrill is best suited for B/B+ rank, due to the fact that it is good at beating a solid selection of pokemon in 1v1, but not as good at beating pokemon in general as the higher ranking threats are.
 
Time to rank the rest of the new mons

Blacephalon

Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Mind Blown
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Hyper Beam

Blacephalon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Mind Blown
- Hidden Power [Rock] / Hidden Power [Ice]
- Trick
- Shadow Ball

Blacephalon @ King's Rock
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Mind Blown
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Fling
- Torment / Will-O-Wisp
(Credits to Mace Master)

Overall,Blacephalon is a solid wallbreaker.The first set is capable of beating Mega Metagross,Mega Gengar,Tapu Koko,Mega Sceptile,Mega Venusaur, Charizard X and other fast and frail wallbreakers,while the second set is capable of beating Charizard-Y with HP Rock or Garchomp/Landorus with HP Ice,Mega Slowbro,Jumpluff and Whimsicott,Tapu Lele and more.The third set is designed to beat Sturdymons. King's Rock+Fling provides a way to get free chip damage, breaking Sturdy. Torment is used to put an end to Sucker Punch users such as Mega Mawile and Golem. To beat Donphan, not one, but two predictions are required to win with Torment, so Will-O-Wisp may be used instead, but it's usually not worth it as Mega Mawile OHKOs even after being burned. HP Grass is also necessary in order to OHKO Golem. (yes i did just copy Mace's text )
I'd nominate Blacephalon for C+ or B- because even though it is somewhat frail,it has great wallbreaking capabilities and it can beat a nice portion of the metagame.

Stakataka

Stakataka @ Choice Band
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
(Credits to Yung Dramps)

Stakataka @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Atk / 40 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Rock Blast
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Superpower

The first set utilizes Stakataka's great attack stat in combination with its bulk,which (with these EVs) can take a standard Kyurem-Black Earth Power and a 252+ Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare and KO back with Gyro Ball and Earthquake respectively.It can also take on Snorlax and 50/50 Magearna and Genesect.
The second set can take a Timid Charizard-Y Focus Blast and has good chances against Modest KOing even a Substitute set with Rock Blast,beats Charizard X by taking (!) 3 Flare Blitzes from 252+ 100% of the time,a Jolly +1 Earthquake 100% of the time (and Adamant 50% of the time),a 252+ Kyurem-Black Earth Power 100% of the time,252+ Z-Wild Charge or Z-Thunder from Tapu Koko 100% of the time and more.
(I had a Chople Berry set that can take on Mega Lopunny,but I found it somewhat irrelevant)
I'd nominate Stakataka for a solid B- since it has ridiculous amounts of bulk and an amazingly strong Gyro Ball due to its really low Speed stat.
 
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Nalei

strong, wild garbage
is a Tiering Contributor Alumnus
Time to rank the rest of the new mons

Blacephalon

Blacephalon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Mind Blown
- Shadow Ball
- Psychic
- Hyper Beam

Blacephalon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Mind Blown
- Hidden Power [Rock] / Hidden Power [Ice]
- Trick
- Shadow Ball

Blacephalon @ King's Rock
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Mind Blown
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Fling
- Torment / Will-O-Wisp
(Credits to Mace Master)

Overall,Blacephalon is a solid wallbreaker.The first set is capable of beating Mega Metagross,Mega Gengar,Tapu Koko,Mega Sceptile,Mega Venusaur and other fast and frail wallbreakers,while the second set is capable of beating Charizard-Y with HP Rock or Garchomp/Landorus with HP Ice,Mega Slowbro,Jumpluff and Whimsicott,Tapu Lele and more.The third set is designed to beat Sturdymons. King's Rock+Fling provides a way to get free chip damage, breaking Sturdy. Torment is used to put an end to Sucker Punch users such as Mega Mawile and Golem. To beat Donphan, not one, but two predictions are required to win with Torment, so Will-O-Wisp may be used instead, but it's usually not worth it as Mega Mawile OHKOs even after being burned. HP Grass is also necessary in order to OHKO Golem. (yes i did just copy Mace's text )
I'd nominate Blacephalon for C+ or B- because even though it is somewhat frail,it has great wallbreaking capabilities and it can beat a nice portion of the metagame.

Stakataka

Stakataka @ Choice Band
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 140 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Superpower
- Gyro Ball
- Earthquake
(Credits to Yung Dramps)

Stakataka @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 152 HP / 140 Atk / 216 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Rock Blast
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake / Superpower

The first set utilizes Stakataka's great attack stat in combination with its bulk,which (with these EVs) can take a standard Kyurem-Black Earth Power and a 252+ Aegislash-Blade Never-Ending Nightmare and KO back with Gyro Ball and Earthquake respectively.It can also take on Snorlax and 50/50 Magearna and Genesect.
The second set can take a Timid Charizard-Y Focus Blast and has good chances against Modest KOing even a Substitute set with Rock Blast,beats Charizard X by taking (!) 3 Flare Blitzes from 252+ 100% of the time,a Jolly +1 Earthquake 100% of the time (and Adamant 50% of the time),a 252+ Kyurem-Black Earth Power 100% of the time,252+ Z-Wild Charge or Z-Thunder from Tapu Koko 100% of the time and more.
(I had a Chople Berry set that can take on Mega Lopunny,but I found it somewhat irrelevant)
I'd nominate Stakataka for a solid B- since it has ridiculous amounts of bulk and an amazingly strong Gyro Ball due to its really low Speed stat.
A couple things to mention in regards to the sets:
1). You can run Hyper Beam on Specs Blacephalon to OHKO Mega Charizard X.
2). The best EV spread for AV Stakataka, in my opinion, is 252 HP / 216 Atk / 40 SpD. Non-Specs special Kyurem-B is very rare and also usually runs Focus Blast, so sacrificing 100 HP and 72 Attack is simply not worth it, considering that you then fail to OHKO standard Icium Kyub. 216+ Atk on the other hand, OHKOs it 100% of the time while 40 SpD lives almost all of the same hits as 152/216.

I think that C+ is a good place for Blacephalon, but Stakataka is something that I see as more of a C ranked 'mon. It's 4x weaknesses just suck so bad. You think you can beat Dragonite? Oh, it has EQ. You think you can beat Metagross? Oh, it has Hammer Arm. You think you can beat Mega Pinsir? Oh, it has Close Combat. etc... Ground and Fighting are also just common offensive types in general. Stay tuned; gonna post about Kommo-o and Zygarde soon.
 
Jumpluff z-strength sap is a whole new level of cancer. (You heard it hear first)

I only have 334 Speed just to outspeed "most" mons in the meta but you can customize this to max speed, it honestly doesnt make a difference because most people in the high ladder usually run more bulk than speed on most of their mons. Grassium with strength sap sets you up for a straight W. 90% of the time you will win if you outspeed the other 10% could be from hax or simply unluckiness. :/

Threats: taunt users and faster pokemon and consecutive hit moves (rock blast)

Jumpluff

canc3r v2 (Jumpluff) (M) @ Grassium Z
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 4 SpD / 192 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sleep Powder
- Leech Seed
- Strength Sap
- Substitute
 
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Yung Dramps

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Zygarde: C- ---> B or B+
With the Power Construct unban, Zygarde has risen from being an obscure niche Pokemon to being... uh... let's just say quite good. Zygarde is now capable of taking on a suprisingly wide variety of metagame threats, including Mega Gyarados, Mega Charizard X, Mega Metagross, non-SD Mimikyu, most Sturdies and Ice Beam-less Porygon-Z using this Coil set made by The Official Glyx.

Zygarde @ Groundium Z
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 128 Def / 84 SpD
Impish Nature
- Coil
- Extreme Speed
- Thousand Arrows
- Rest

Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-664771798
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-664771218
 

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Zygarde: C- ---> B or B+
With the Power Construct unban, Zygarde has risen from being an obscure niche Pokemon to being... uh... let's just say quite good. Zygarde is now capable of taking on a suprisingly wide variety of metagame threats, including Mega Gyarados, Mega Charizard X, Mega Metagross, non-SD Mimikyu, most Sturdies and Ice Beam-less Porygon-Z using this Coil set made by The Official Glyx.

Zygarde @ Groundium Z
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 128 Def / 84 SpD
Impish Nature
- Coil
- Extreme Speed
- Thousand Arrows
- Rest

Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-664771798
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-664771218
Got sniped :pirate: Agree with Zygarde for B+. Here's three other sets for Zygarde: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1.3587523/page-33#post-7528548

Kommo-o Unranked->C

Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Bulletproof / Overcoat / Soundproof
EVs: 240 HP / 8 Atk / 36 SpA / 224 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Clanging Scales
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Substitute

With its signature Z move, Kommo-o can act as a good Gyarados and Sturdy check. Other common Pokemon it beats include Mega Charizard Y, Mega Lopunny and Blaziken.

DEG Please update the VR, and if you don't want to, give someone else the ability to do so who will.
 

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Got sniped :pirate: Agree with Zygarde for B+. Here's three other sets for Zygarde: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1.3587523/page-33#post-7528548

Kommo-o Unranked->C

Kommo-o @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Bulletproof / Overcoat / Soundproof
EVs: 240 HP / 8 Atk / 36 SpA / 224 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Clanging Scales
- Close Combat
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Substitute

With its signature Z move, Kommo-o can act as a good Gyarados and Sturdy check. Other common Pokemon it beats include Mega Charizard Y, Mega Lopunny and Blaziken.

DEG Please update the VR, and if you don't want to, give someone else the ability to do so who will.
Working on it.
 

fanyfan

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Sorry for the one-liner, but I just noticed in the vr, Mega Diancie is just called Diancie, and all the other megas are [Pokemon]-Mega. Just a little inconsistency that bugged me.
Sorry for the one-liner, but in the sets compendium, special koko should run timid, not jolly
This still hasn’t been fixed either. In fact, that sets compendium is actually pretty outdated. But little mistakes like that bug me. Sorry for being picky
 
Remember Salac berry Bewear or Liechi berry Dugtrio? I have a pokepaste with a bunch of sets based off the gimmick.

http://pokepast.es/7b624c249fef4c38

Notable examples:
Empoleon-> Salac berry (360 speed) + torrent + hydro cannon

Crobat-> Liechi berry + base 130 speed + acrobatics

Deoxys-S->Base 180 speed + petaya berry + psycho boost

Kingdra->Salac berry + possible focus energy + sniper

Buzzwole->Salac berry + reversal

Counters: Strong sturdymons, priority moves, status moves

Rank: Undefined (Some are better than others, but this is a good step for Buzzwole at least)
 

Nalei

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Remember Salac berry Bewear or Liechi berry Dugtrio? I have a pokepaste with a bunch of sets based off the gimmick.

http://pokepast.es/7b624c249fef4c38

Notable examples:
Empoleon-> Salac berry (360 speed) + torrent + hydro cannon

Crobat-> Liechi berry + base 130 speed + acrobatics

Deoxys-S->Base 180 speed + petaya berry + psycho boost

Kingdra->Salac berry + possible focus energy + sniper

Buzzwole->Salac berry + reversal

Counters: Strong sturdymons, priority moves, status moves

Rank: Undefined (Some are better than others, but this is a good step for Buzzwole at least)
Most of those are better off just holding a choice item. The only ones that are worth it for are Buzzwole, Bewear, Alolan Dugtrio, Empoleon and Yanmega.
 

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VR Update;
Code:
Shoutout Macemaster / and vr council
Naganadel Unranked > B
Stakataka Unranked > C
Blacephalon Unranked > C
Zygarde C- > A-
Zygarde 10% Unranked > B-
Kommo-o Unranked > C
Excadrill Unranked > C+
Mega Metagross A > A+
Donphan A- > B+
Carracosta B > B-
Crustle B > B-
Hoopa Unbound C+ > B-
Keldeo C+ > C
Mega Lucario C > C+
Dusclops C > D
Quagsire C > D
Latias D > Unranked
Mega Latias Unranked > C
Tapu Bulu Unranked > C+
Volcarona Unranked > C+
Mega Gallade Unranked > C+
Umbreon B- > C+
Whimsicott B- > C+
Togekiss Unranked > B-
Ninetales-Alola Unranked > C
Discuss;
Mega Diancie from B- to B
Togekiss from B- to B
Dragonite from A to A-
Golem from B+ to A-

+Added the revamped sets compendium.
 
Mega Diancie from B- to B
Togekiss from B- to B
Dragonite from A to A-
Golem from B+ to A-
Diancie-Mega B->B: seems good it's a versitile mon with bulk speed and power, it's offensive versitality isn't the best but imo good enough for B rank. Agree

Togekiss B->B: I'd say this is fine at B-Rank, altough it's speed is lower than Jirachi, it's a more versitile mon than jirachi having acces to better recovery and charm, allowing it to beat various strong mons, jirachi can't deal with. Agree

Dragonite A->A-: I don't see any reason to drop this guy's viability, it beats most of the new mons and is still the behemoth it always was, being very tough to take down and it being very hard to endure +1 hits from, great and mixed coverage, it's still amazingly versitile so i don't see a reason to drop it's ranking. Disagree

Golem B+->A-: i've always considered Golem and Donphan to be close to equal, they run similar sets with similair purposes, naturally both have some differences like lopunny being better for Donphan and actually having reliable priority and Golem actually being able to beat Scarf Kyurem-Black and having more powerful rock stab. in my personaly conclusion i don't see a reason for golem to be of higher viability than Donphan, imo the donphan drop was fine and i think golem is fine were he is right now as well. Disagree
 
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Mega Diancie from B- to B:
While Mega Diancie is a Pokemon with great stats and the ability to switch from bulk to attack, there are 2 significant things that hinder it: Its HP stat and its typing. 50 HP doesn't allow it to take many hits, making a bulky set nearly impossible, while its typing makes it weak to really common offensive typings like Steel, Water and Ground, and while Magnet Rise is an option, it's more of a niche one. No

Togekiss from B- to B:

Despite being incredibly annoying, it's is true that Togekiss is a threat, due to its great typing, access to Serene Grace,a spammable special move in Air Slash and great Special Attack stat. Even a potential Yawn-Endure-Endeavor-Extreme Speed can be used to take out other threats. Yes

Dragonite from A to A-:
Dragonite has an excellent ability in Multiscale and a fantastic movepool, which limit its counters a lot. While it may lose to top usage Pokemon like Mega Metagross with Ice Punch, Mega Gyarados with Outrage and Kyurem-Black, it is hard to find other good Pokemon that can beat it without having to deviate a lot from their common sets. No

Golem from B+ to A-:

Golem is a Pokemon similar to Donphan,since they both have the ability Sturdy, Ground Typing and access to EdgeQuake + priority, which make them able to easily utilize Z-Moves. On the other hand, Donphan is 5 points faster, meaning it's able to outspeed both Charizards after 1 Rock Tomb and has a reliable priority move in Ice Shard, while Golem has to rely on hitting Stone Edge to beat Substitute variants of Charizard if it doesn't carry Rock Blast (which would mean it would dismiss coverage).While Golem does get a powerful STAB Continental Crush, I personally believe that Golem should stay where Donphan is, if not lower. No
 

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Discuss;
Mega Diancie from B- to B
Togekiss from B- to B
Dragonite from A to A-
Golem from B+ to A-
Diancie

Personally, I think Diancie and Mega Diancie should have the same thing we did for Blaziken, having both Mega and base forms in a single VR entry. They both hit similar threats with similar movesets, and both extend from the base form. If we did that, I would definitely agree with putting Diancie at B, or even B+. Otherwise, I would suggest giving regular Diancie B rank if it has to stay separate.

Dragonite

Dragonite is one of the few mons in the metagame where you can really do almost anything with it and it will still be good. Until they make a widely distributed Ice type move that works like Moongeist Beam, Dragonite will always be one of the consistently best A/A+ rank mons in 1v1.

Sawk

Yes, Sawk. Not Golem. I believe that Sawk is easily one of, if not the best Sturdy user in the metagame. It has the highest speed of all Sturdy mons except that gen 7 edgehog, the widest variety of moves to use, and a killer 1v1 typing with Fighting. It also isn't limited to just Z-move sets like Golem and Donphan, though Z-moves are still the best alternative it has. I suggest we swap Sawk and Golem's ranks (Sawk B>B+/Golem B+>B), since more and more people are starting to figure out Golem is just a one-trick pony, while Sawk is a multiple-trick pony.
 

Nalei

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Mega Diancie from B- to B:
While Mega Diancie is a Pokemon with great stats and the ability to switch from bulk to attack, there are 2 significant things that hinder it: Its HP stat and its typing. 50 HP doesn't allow it to take many hits, making a bulky set nearly impossible, while its typing makes it weak to really common offensive typings like Steel, Water and Ground, and while Magnet Rise is an option, it's more of a niche one. No

Togekiss from B- to B:

Despite being incredibly annoying, it's is true that Togekiss is a threat, due to its great typing, access to Serene Grace,a spammable special move in Air Slash and great Special Attack stat. Even a potential Yawn-Endure-Endeavor-Extreme Speed can be used to take out other threats. Yes

Dragonite from A to A-:
Dragonite has an excellent ability in Multiscale and a fantastic movepool, which limit its counters a lot. While it may lose to top usage Pokemon like Mega Metagross with Ice Punch, Mega Gyarados with Outrage and Kyurem-Black, it is hard to find other good Pokemon that can beat it without having to deviate a lot from their common sets. No

Golem from B+ to A-:

Golem is a Pokemon similar to Donphan,since they both have the ability Sturdy, Ground Typing and access to EdgeQuake + priority, which make them able to easily utilize Z-Moves. On the other hand, Donphan is 5 points faster, meaning it's able to outspeed both Charizards after 1 Rock Tomb and has a reliable priority move in Ice Shard, while Golem has to rely on hitting Stone Edge to beat Substitute variants of Charizard if it doesn't carry Rock Blast (which would mean it would dismiss coverage).While Golem does get a powerful STAB Continental Crush, I personally believe that Golem should stay where Donphan is, if not lower. No
I agree with just about all of this.

Mega Aggron A > B+: This has just never been that good, honestly. It's a super-consistent Metagross counter, though, so long as you run Curse+Rest, I guess.

Mimikyu A > A+: When Mimikyu was first introduced, many people assumed that it would be broken. When people started using Ghostium SD as the standard (which is its worst set), however, this myth was quickly debunked. Mimikyu's perceived viability is still suffering because of this. I soon introduced the bulky Fairium Mimikyu, which could beat Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B, but it took a long time to catch on. In more recent times, two sets have emerged as absolutely horrifying to face - Z-Charm+SD and Thunder Wave+Z-Curse.
Mimikyu @ Fairium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 240 HP / 128 Atk / 96 Def / 44 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Play Rough
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Charm

Mimikyu @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Curse
- Substitute
- Protect

Additionally, with USUM, it received Mimikium Z, building upon Mimikyu's viability further yet. I firmly believe that Mimikyu is a metagame-defining Pokemon and deserves to be ranked A+.

Mega Altaria B+ > B: Just another overhyped 'mon like Aggron. Cotton Guard is pretty good, but not as good as, say, Primarina or Donphan.

Hitmonlee C > C-: This thing used to see some usage, but for no apparent reason other than GodOfHitmonlee quitting 1v1, I never saw it again. It's probably still okay, but it legit just stopped existing.

Mega Sceptile C- > D: Mega Sceptile is just really meh. Also, I'd like to see Sceptile and Mega Sceptile's icons next to each other similar to Blaziken considering that both the base and mega forms are of approximately equal viability.

PS: You still have Zygarde ranked at C-, please get rid of that :P
 

Yung Dramps

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I agree with just about all of this.

Mega Aggron A > B+: This has just never been that good, honestly. It's a super-consistent Metagross counter, though, so long as you run Curse+Rest, I guess.

Mimikyu A > A+: When Mimikyu was first introduced, many people assumed that it would be broken. When people started using Ghostium SD as the standard (which is its worst set), however, this myth was quickly debunked. Mimikyu's perceived viability is still suffering because of this. I soon introduced the bulky Fairium Mimikyu, which could beat Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-B, but it took a long time to catch on. In more recent times, two sets have emerged as absolutely horrifying to face - Z-Charm+SD and Thunder Wave+Z-Curse.
Mimikyu @ Fairium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 240 HP / 128 Atk / 96 Def / 44 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Play Rough
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Charm

Mimikyu @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunder Wave
- Curse
- Substitute
- Protect

Additionally, with USUM, it received Mimikium Z, building upon Mimikyu's viability further yet. I firmly believe that Mimikyu is a metagame-defining Pokemon and deserves to be ranked A+.

Mega Altaria B+ > B: Just another overhyped 'mon like Aggron. Cotton Guard is pretty good, but not as good as, say, Primarina or Donphan.

Hitmonlee C > C-: This thing used to see some usage, but for no apparent reason other than GodOfHitmonlee quitting 1v1, I never saw it again. It's probably still okay, but it legit just stopped existing.

Mega Sceptile C- > D: Mega Sceptile is just really meh. Also, I'd like to see Sceptile and Mega Sceptile's icons next to each other similar to Blaziken considering that both the base and mega forms are of approximately equal viability.

PS: You still have Zygarde ranked at C-, please get rid of that :P
I agree with everything else listed here except for dropping Hitmonlee. Your argument for dropping it is purely based off usage, which is a shitty argument for moving stuff in a VR in general (For reference, in RU Donphan gets more usage than Salazzle despite Salazzle being S and Donphan being C-). Everything else looks fine.
 

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If you aren't too busy hating me for my political views from the other thread, I'd like to suggest:



Necrozma for B+ Rank or higher

Necrozma @ Choice Specs
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 228 HP / 240 SpA / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Prismatic Laser
- Photon Geyser
- Heat Wave
- Signal Beam

The HP evs are the minimum for withstanding up to a Pinsir's Giga Impact, while the extra Special Defense is to ensure Naganadel doesn't OHKO with Draco Meteor. the 240 SpA is to give Necrozma as good of a chance as it can get to OHKO 252/20 Tapu Fini (minimum evs to withstand Porygon-Z Hyper Beam), and the 4 evs in Spe are what I had leftover, put there for the sake of outspeeding 0 Spe Necrozma.

The moveset is pretty straightforward; Prismatic Laser kills everything, Photon Geyser kills Sturdy mons and Mimikyu, Heat Wave hits those pesky Steel Types, and Signal Beam hits Greninja (assuming it uses Dark Pulse or Hydro Cannon) and most Slowbro. You can swap out Signal Beam for something else if it isn't being useful, such as Hyper Voice for counteracting Substitute shenanigans, or Dark Pulse for giving yourself a better chance at completely countering all Slowbro.

Kyurem-Black
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-Black: 459-541 (101.1 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Kyurem-Black Draco Meteor vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Necrozma: 349-412 (89 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Kyurem-Black Outrage vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 262-309 (66.8 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Charizard-X
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard-Mega-X: 301-355 (101.3 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Metagross-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 306-362 (101.6 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Meteor Mash vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 172-204 (43.8 - 52%) -- 12.5% chance to 2HKO
Aggron-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aggron: 197-232 (57.2 - 67.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aggron-Mega: 157-186 (45.6 - 54%) -- 46.9% chance to 2HKO
Lopunny-Mega
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 67-81 (17 - 20.6%) -- possible 5HKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Giga Impact vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 252-297 (64.2 - 75.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Slowbro-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Signal Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowbro-Mega: 218-258 (55.3 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Genesect
+1 252 SpA Genesect Bug Buzz vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Prism Armor Necrozma: 330-391 (84.1 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Greninja
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Signal Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 350-412 (122.8 - 144.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Prism Armor Necrozma: 265-312 (67.6 - 79.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja Hydro Cannon vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Necrozma: 331-390 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Heracross-Mega
(No speed)
Jirachi
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 332-392 (97.3 - 114.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 109-129 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO


Mawile-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mawile-Mega: 348-410 (114.4 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Mimikyu
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mimikyu: 252-297 (100.3 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Mimikyu Never-Ending Nightmare (140 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma: 292-343 (74.4 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Mimikyu Let's Snuggle Forever vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 262-310 (66.8 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Pinsir-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Pinsir-Mega: 288-339 (106.2 - 125%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Landorus-Therian
252 Atk Landorus-Therian Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 316-373 (80.6 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 316-373 (99 - 116.9%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
Venusaur-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 336-396 (92.3 - 108.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Venusaur-Mega: 534-630 (146.7 - 173%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Zygarde
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 240 HP / 84 SpD Zygarde: 400-472 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Altaria-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Altaria-Mega: 403-475 (113.8 - 134.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Blaziken/Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blaziken: 704-830 (233.8 - 275.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Blaziken Inferno Overdrive (200 BP) vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Necrozma: 337-397 (85.9 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
Donphan
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Donphan: 397-468 (103.3 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Donphan Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 303-357 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Garchomp
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 481-567 (134.3 - 158.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Garchomp Devastating Drake (190 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 307-363 (78.3 - 92.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Golem
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Golem: 373-439 (102.4 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Golem Tectonic Rage (180 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 303-357 (77.2 - 91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Naganadel
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Naganadel: 680-804 (236.9 - 280.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Naganadel Draco Meteor vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Necrozma: 331-391 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Primarina
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 370-436 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tapu Fini
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 20 SpD Tapu Fini: 330-388 (95.9 - 112.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Blastoise-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blastoise-Mega: 372-438 (102.7 - 120.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Mega Launcher Blastoise-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Prism Armor Necrozma: 235-277 (59.9 - 70.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ferrothorn
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 432-512 (122.7 - 145.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Kartana
252 Atk Choice Band Kartana Giga Impact vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 311-367 (79.3 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
240+ SpA Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 1068-1260 (412.3 - 486.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Sawk
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Sawk: 666-786 (228.8 - 270.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Swampert-Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert-Mega: 387-456 (95.7 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Buzzwole
252+ Atk Choice Band Buzzwole Leech Life vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Prism Armor Necrozma: 337-397 (85.9 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Buzzwole: 872-1028 (208.6 - 245.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Carracosta
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Carracosta: 373-439 (105.9 - 124.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Celesteela
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 238-282 (59.7 - 70.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Crustle
252+ Atk Crustle Continental Crush (200 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 306-361 (78 - 92%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Crustle: 333-393 (96.8 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Diancie/Mega
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Diancie: 295-348 (97 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
Togekiss
252 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 228 HP / 36 SpD Necrozma: 123-145 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- 80.1% chance to 3HKO
240+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Togekiss: 373-439 (99.7 - 117.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

Everything else is either an uncertain matchup for both sides or a loss for Necrozma. Bear in mind that this is just one potential set out of everything Necrozma is capable of, so honestly, it might just be A/A- worthy.
 

Yung Dramps

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Zygarde-10%: B- ---> C or lower
The thing with Power Construct Zygarde-50% is that it has enough bulk pre-Power Construct to be able to play around with defensive EVs to beat stuff. Zydoggo does not possess the defenses 50% has. I don't wanna jump the gun and say it should be D or Unranked, but I've asked around, and nobody, myself included, can figure out what niche this possesses over big boy Zygarde. That speed tier doesn't seem to really beat anything that Zygarde-50% can't.

Also, I agree with ranking Necrozma higher, but B+ or A- seems like a bit of an extreme start for something currently in D. I'd say B- or B is a good start, and we can raise it later on if need be.
 

Nalei

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Zygarde-10%: B- ---> C or lower
The thing with Power Construct Zygarde-50% is that it has enough bulk pre-Power Construct to be able to play around with defensive EVs to beat stuff. Zydoggo does not possess the defenses 50% has. I don't wanna jump the gun and say it should be D or Unranked, but I've asked around, and nobody, myself included, can figure out what niche this possesses over big boy Zygarde. That speed tier doesn't seem to really beat anything that Zygarde-50% can't.

Also, I agree with ranking Necrozma higher, but B+ or A- seems like a bit of an extreme start for something currently in D. I'd say B- or B is a good start, and we can raise it later on if need be.
Here is Zydog's niche:

Zygarde-10% @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Power Construct
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Def / 224 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Substitute
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Coil

This set can do some of the things that regular Zygarde can do like check Mega Gyarados and Mega Charizard X. The niche, however, is that it doesn't instantly lose to Kyurem-B. I'd be okay with a drop to C+, though.
 

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I agree with zydog dropping, most people are using 50% to get off the evolution due to the security its bulk provides. I will say the speed tier on zygarde-10% lets it outspeed 100% of the time vs mons like Kyurem-b, Zards, M-Diancie, M-Pinsir and a few others. I haven't done the calcs to determine if Z-Outrage from 10% is netting ko's on most of those mons, but it does outspeed none the less. As I'm typing this Mace decided to post a set, and I'll agree with his position on C+. Zygarde 50% will dominate, but over looking 10% completely would be a mistake on our part.

Next I wanted to address Necrozma. I feel like B+ is a good spot for it, especially considering the set provided. I don't really agree with the mindset of "B+ is to big of a jump" since in the end this thread is about the viability of a mon, and that can change at a moments notice - especially in 1v1. With the release of usum Necrozma got a new toy in Photon Geyser and a few coverage moves that make it better than it was previously by a signifigant margin. Overall I feel B+ is adequate, and see no issues with a larger rise.

Just a general note I want to add since I have seen the 1v1 VR have this problem for a while now.
In a metagame like 1v1 with so much counterteaming and innovation a mon is fully capable of making large strides in the VR in a matter of days if someone makes a good enough set. In this gen some examples are UOP's M-Garchomp and Kentari's Landorus-T. If someone takes the time to truly unlock a mons potential, and figures out how to make a mon beat a large portion of the meta there really isn't a need to slow the roll of that mons rise in the VR. In more traditional 6v6 formats I see the merit in waiting for a meta to adapt, 1v1 is just different in that regard. While the meta can adapt truly well made custom sets have a tendency to last. I'm not saying this specific example of Necrozma is a world beater, I just don't like the thought process of "that jumps to big, let's wait and see" going forward when it comes to 1v1.
 

Yung Dramps

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Stakataka: C ---> C-
The only reason this was ranked this high at all was because I swooped in while everyone was mercilessly bashing it and overhyped it as a meme at the last minute. Aside from the ability to cteam Kyurem-Black and Aegislash, it really is just a worse Mega Aggron. i still think it's cool in other formats tho, ou otr is still the goat


Pinsir-Mega: A ---> A-
I've tried this once, and I'll try it again. Mega Pinsir is not A worthy. It loses to 6/8 of A- while 50/50ing against one, 5/8 of A, half of A+, and both S ranks. If it's A, it's undoubtedly the worst A rank.


Buzzwole: B- ---> B
The reason I'm nomming Buzzwole up is because of this EndureSalac set I made, which is capable of circumventing many of Buzzwole's conventional checks, such as Zard X and Y (Prediction needed vs sub), some Kyu-B variants, Genesect, Hoopa-U, Archeops (Scarf Fly is not a set), Alolan Marowak and Meloetta. Try it out, it's pretty rad.


Jumpluff: B ---> B+
This mon is way better than people give it credit for. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like whenever I make a team, it seems solid at first, only for me to then realize a few moments later "Wait, shit, this loses to Jumpluff". It's hilarious how much this monster invalidates. Thanks to infiltrator, not even Sub users are safe. And with the addition of Strength Sap in USUM, it only got better, now being able to use a Z-Strength Sap set to cause even more havoc.
 
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