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Garchomp Vote
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As much as I would like to say "OU" - simply because the number of strategies I have seen flying around on the standard since suspect has increased (people started new things when Garchomp was banned, and found them viable even on standard), I don't think I can say that it is not uber simply because of this fact - considering i feel the game is more balanced and more "tight" now because of the lack of Garchomp.
Garchomp is uber.
Garchomp is uber.
There's really nothing scientific that makes something OU or Uber, but in all seriousness it gets really boring seeing on almost every freaking team. If people tried different things instead of sticking land shark in with a Yache Berry I think we would get better statistics.
I would think a tournament to test Garchomp among the eligable voters would be a better determining factor than just outright voting.
I play to have fun and its not really fun seeing an overcentralized metagame its like seeing everyone using Snake and Meta Knight in Brawl... So I'm saying Uber, until people actually try being more creative.
Edit: I predict we'll be seeing a lot more Dragonite usage. If SR gets banned then... yeah...
I would think a tournament to test Garchomp among the eligable voters would be a better determining factor than just outright voting.
I play to have fun and its not really fun seeing an overcentralized metagame its like seeing everyone using Snake and Meta Knight in Brawl... So I'm saying Uber, until people actually try being more creative.
Edit: I predict we'll be seeing a lot more Dragonite usage. If SR gets banned then... yeah...
I cast my vote for OU.
For one, I've found the Suspect Ladder to be stale. It reminds me too much of ADV and removing Garchomp, the banner of the offensive metagame, has caused it to morph into a metagame that's too defensive for my liking. Most battles have turned into who can kill of the opponent's special wall and set up a bulky CMer first. Without Garchomp, they have much less to fear when sleeping or using Sleep Talk. I'm not saying that offensive teams aren't effective, it's just that without the threat of Garchomp, defensive teams have much less to fear in their setup attempts.
Additionally, Garchomp has never given any of my teams significant problems. Strategy, prediction, and smart play are often enough to keep his threat level low. While I do agree with others that this may be because we've adapted to its presence by making sure we can counter it, the same can be said for any Pokemon.
For one, I've found the Suspect Ladder to be stale. It reminds me too much of ADV and removing Garchomp, the banner of the offensive metagame, has caused it to morph into a metagame that's too defensive for my liking. Most battles have turned into who can kill of the opponent's special wall and set up a bulky CMer first. Without Garchomp, they have much less to fear when sleeping or using Sleep Talk. I'm not saying that offensive teams aren't effective, it's just that without the threat of Garchomp, defensive teams have much less to fear in their setup attempts.
Additionally, Garchomp has never given any of my teams significant problems. Strategy, prediction, and smart play are often enough to keep his threat level low. While I do agree with others that this may be because we've adapted to its presence by making sure we can counter it, the same can be said for any Pokemon.
Nevermind, my friend told me that only 29 people were getting to vote. I noticed that that was when it was going to be decided after. Ehhh, sorry, wasn't thinking, only listening.
28th Uber vote here.
Well I brought this up in IS, but I really don't think Garchomp is Uber with deoxys-e around, since the speed boost from dragon dance make users of that move more potent than Garchomp, who really plays more as a wallbreaker with a chance to sweep. Both dual screen and sweeper deoxys have turned the metagame into "break walls until I can sweep", and dragon dancers are much, much better at sweeping since revenge killing after a speed boost is a huge pain. In addition, with the metagame as offensive as it is, players generally have a higher number of pokemon who are faster than garchomp, making it significantly less of a threat.
With deoxys gone I believe the metagame would become somewhat more defensive again, and Garchomp would revert back to the ridiculous threat it once was.
Anyway, since we are not voting on Deoxys-E as well, my first instinct is to vote OU; however, it isn't far fetched at all to assume that Deoxys-E will be banned sometime in the coming months. Therefore, I am voting Uber.
With deoxys gone I believe the metagame would become somewhat more defensive again, and Garchomp would revert back to the ridiculous threat it once was.
Anyway, since we are not voting on Deoxys-E as well, my first instinct is to vote OU; however, it isn't far fetched at all to assume that Deoxys-E will be banned sometime in the coming months. Therefore, I am voting Uber.
Looks like its 29, its official folks! Garchomp is Uber!
Voted Uber.
Not close at all, I believe. The percentage that vote Ubers will probably keep increasing. We all know what Garchomp has done to the OU metagame.
Not close at all, I believe. The percentage that vote Ubers will probably keep increasing. We all know what Garchomp has done to the OU metagame.
Seems like i am late. :/
Voted uber.
Voted uber.
Still a 2.5:1 current ratio for Ubers vs. OU is pretty substantial.
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