Move Hold Hands, Thousand Arrows, Thousand Waves

[totokekedile]

Thousand Waves looks very Zygarde, using its hexagons and whatnot.

 

[Talpr0ne]

All I'm gonna say.... the animation for Hypnosis Hole is effing terrorfying.

Anyone know what the move does? I hope to god it's not a %chance sleep move. How the heck is sleep clause supposed to deal with that?

The effect of Hyperspace Hole is hitting throug Protect, Detect, King's Shield and Spiky Shield.
And by the way we have a precedent of a % chance sleep move in Relic Song, sleep clause deals with it simply by disallowing said chance if a mon is already sleeping.

 

[Of Moose & Men]

I'm looking forward to Thousand Arrows. The thing that stops EQ from being "Spammable" really is flying types and levitaters, with thousand Arrows it makes it spammable, and you can just change to Stone edge/Rock slide after the switch. Literally ONLY the Grass/Fighting types resist the combo. Nothing is immune from it. That's a HUGE thing to boast whoever learns this move. . . *Cough* Zygarde *cough*

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

I'm looking forward to Thousand Arrows. The thing that stops EQ from being "Spammable" really is flying types and levitaters, with thousand Arrows it makes it spammable, and you can just change to Stone edge/Rock slide after the switch. Literally ONLY the Grass/Fighting types resist the combo. Nothing is immune from it. That's a HUGE thing to boast whoever learns this move. . . *Cough* Zygarde *cough*

I'm pretty sure EQ won't drop in usage, because Thousand Arrows is going to be exclusive to only a limited amount of pokemon. (Event Pokemon)

 

[Of Moose & Men]

I'm pretty sure EQ won't drop in usage, because Thousand Arrows is going to be exclusive to only a limited amount of pokemon. (Event Pokemon)

I wasn't implying it would. But whoever does learn it holds a huge advantage over it's other EQ spamming brothers and sisters. It's also able to be choice locked into it without having to worry about not dealing damage to something.

 

[Mr.Ganon]

If zygarde gets thousand arrows, ground/dragon is practically only resisted by skarmory, which is covered by thousand arrows... Zygarde, say hi to ubers.

 

[MikeDawg]

I don't understand why the forums are so quick to associate perfect neutral coverage with Ubers...

It doesn't matter, Zygarde is still mediocre, and definitely not unmanageable by OU...

It has, what, base 95 attack?

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

I don't understand why the forums are so quick to associate perfect neutral coverage with Ubers...

It doesn't matter, Zygarde is still mediocre, and definitely not unmanageable by OU...

No, you're completely wrong. Perfect neutral coverage is awesome. Zygarde has crazy bulk, so Coil + Neutral Coverage = Hell.

Zygarde isn't amazing, but with Coil as a good boosting move, and Neutral Coverage on fucking EVERYTHING, unlike BoltBeam, I think you should start reconsidering what you said.

Base 100 attack, too. Use Google next time.

 

[MikeDawg]

No, you're completely wrong. Perfect neutral coverage is awesome. Zygarde has crazy bulk, so Coil + Neutral Coverage = Hell.

Zygarde isn't amazing, but with Coil as a good boosting move, and Neutral Coverage on fucking EVERYTHING, unlike BoltBeam, I think you should start reconsidering what you said.

Base 100 attack, too. Use Google next time.

Calcs (not even counting new gen 6 fairies/ou mons):

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-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 19.33 - 22.9%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 20.71 - 24.52%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 172 Def Landorus-T: 21.52 - 25.45%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 21.46 - 25.7%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Donphan: 22.13 - 26.56%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 248+ Def Gliscor: 23.86 - 28.12%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Forretress: 26.02 - 31.16%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Ferrothorn: 26.42 - 31.53%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 27.59 - 32.54%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hippowdon: 27.85 - 32.85%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 40+ Def Gliscor: 28.12 - 33.23%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 28.49 - 33.84%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 28.72 - 33.9%
252+ Atk Mew Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 29.7 - 35.14%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 48 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 29.9 - 35.34%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 30.02 - 35.73%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 30.27 - 35.77%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Politoed: 30.46 - 35.93%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 30.76 - 36.18%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 30.87 - 36.54%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 30.93 - 36.56%
-1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 88 HP / 0 Def Gyarados: 30.87 - 36.82%
252+ Atk Mew Dragon Claw vs. 236 HP / 252+ Def Breloom: 31.25 - 36.87%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 172 Def Landorus-T: 32.28 - 38.05%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 136+ Def Vaporeon: 33.11 - 38.96%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Cloyster: 33.47 - 39.66%
252+ Atk Mew Dragon Claw vs. 60 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 33.7 - 39.88%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 34.05 - 40.09%
252+ Atk Mew Dragon Claw vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Celebi: 35.08 - 41.52%
252+ Atk Mew Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Celebi: 35.19 - 41.64%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 128 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 36.81 - 43.34%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 120 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 37 - 43.56%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 240 HP / 252 Def Volcarona: 37.46 - 44.47%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 212 Def Vaporeon: 38.15 - 44.88%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gliscor: 38.14 - 45.36%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 192 HP / 64 Def Reuniclus: 38.38 - 45.47%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 20 Def Scizor: 38.48 - 45.48%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Gastrodon: 38.73 - 45.77%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 39.38 - 46.36%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 39.24 - 46.51%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 39.35 - 46.64%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Espeon: 39.82 - 47%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 40.95 - 48.31%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 36 Def Jellicent: 42.57 - 50.49%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 43.13 - 51.09%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Politoed: 44.01 - 52.34%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 48 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 44.41 - 52.56%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mamoswine: 44.32 - 52.63%
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 44.95 - 53.21%

That is adamant zygarde with its perfect neutral coverage (mew's type changed to dragon/ground). Skarmory is pretty much the only thing that not longer walls it. In fact, the other things have an even easier time with the lower base power.


And that is not to mention that you don't have to wall zygarde. (ie.... offensive teams).

An ice beam/burn/etc. will still take it out regardless of its new coverage.

 

[GlassGlaceon]

True.

Everything else is Bullshit.

EDIT: Mew Calcs don't matter because most people use mew for Nasty Plot anyways.

He's using mew as a placeholder because they both have base 100 atk >.>

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

He's using mew as a placeholder because they both have base 100 atk >.>

Just noticed.

Anyways, sorry MikeDawg for being rude about it. Just didn't understand why zygarde was being still dissed. I get the point now.

 

[MikeDawg]

True.

Everything else is Bullshit.

EDIT: Mew Calcs don't matter because most people use mew for Nasty Plot anyways.

Bullshit? Need I add more calcs from gen 6?

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 94-112 (22.1 - 26.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 162-192 (40 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 178-211 (25.2 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 141-166 (34 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 81-96 (23 - 27.2%) -- 51.2% chance to 4HKO



Defensive teams still aren't going to have much of a problem with zygarde at all.

 

[The Shellder Smuggler]

Bullshit? Need I add more calcs from gen 6?

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mandibuzz: 94-112 (22.1 - 26.4%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 162-192 (40 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 178-211 (25.2 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 141-166 (34 - 40%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Zygarde Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 81-96 (23 - 27.2%) -- 51.2% chance to 4HKO

Check the last post.

 

[Chou Toshio]

This thread is just pretty terrible from start to finish-- terrible posts, nothing but speculation, no discussion with any real quality. locking.