Lycanroc-Midnight (QC 1/3) (GP 0/2)

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[OVERVIEW]
  • Lycanroc-N is able to carve a somewhat okay niche for itself in PU thanks to No Guard coupled with both a reasonable Attack and Speed stat, allowing it to act as a decent revenge killer, against foes like Oricorio-G and Archeops, when using a Choice Scarf.
  • No Guard makes Stone Edge an extremely spammable move for Lycanroc-N to abuse, without the fear of missing.
  • While not great, Lycanroc-N has decent defensive stats, allowing it to take neutral hits if needed.
  • Good enough coverage with moves like Fire Punch and Stomping Tantrum means Lycanroc-N isn't walled completely by Pokemon such as Ferroseed, Togedemaru, and Probopass.
  • However, Lycanroc-N is quite slow for a Choice Scarf user and is outsped by almost every other Choice Scarf user in the tier, like Primeape and Swanna, meaning that Lycanroc-N is often both a lackluster Choice Scarf user and easily revenge killed.
  • With only a single STAB, it leaves Lycanroc-N with only one strong attack option and with low power coverage options, meaning that if it's locked into one of its coverage moves it will do minimal damage if the attack isn't super effective. This is also applicable to Toxic, as being locked into Toxic can be a momentum drain if the opponent has a Steel- or Poison-type.
  • Lycanroc-N is rather susceptible to priority, being weak to both Gurdurr and Hitmonchan's Mach Punch, along with Carracosta and Kabutops' Aqua Jet.
  • With only a decent Attack stat and rather weak coverage, Lycanroc-N finds it extremely difficult to break bulkier Pokemon like Musharna and Gastrodon, and is often set up fodder for said Pokemon.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Fire Punch
move 3: Stomping Tantrum
move 4: Toxic
item: Choice Scarf
ability: No Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Stone Edge is Lycanroc-N's most reliable STAB move because, thanks to its ability No Guard, it's 100% accurate, allowing it to deal with Pokemon like Archeops, Magmortar, and Jynx consistently.
  • Fire Punch is mainly to give Lycanroc-N the ability to hit Ferroseed, which walls it completely otherwise.
  • Stomping Tantrum allows Lycanroc-N to hit Aggron and Probopass, which can take both a Stone Edge and Fire Punch extremely easily.
  • Toxic is used to cripple most physical walls, bar Steel-types, that usually switch in versus Lycanroc-N, like Gastrodon and Gurdurr.

Set Details
========
  • Maximum Attack Speed investment coupled with an Adamant Nature allow it to be as fast and hit as hard as possible.
  • Choice Scarf means Lycanroc-N is able to outspeed basically the entire unboosted metagame, and act as an adequate off to more offensive teams.
  • No Guard is the ability of choice, as it gives Lycanroc-N a spammable STAB Stone Edge that is unable to miss.

Usage Tips
========
  • Lycanroc-N is able to act as a decent revenge killer against usually faster opponents, like Alolan Raichu and Floatzel, but cannot be relied on to revenge kill Speed-boosting Pokemon like Jynx and Lilligant; this is because it's not a Choice Scarf user in the same vein as Primeape or Togedemaru, but rather a fast attacker utilising a Choice Scarf.
  • Lycanroc-N should aim to spam Stone Edge as much as possible, as it's its strongest move, to deal with weakened or frail foes. If the opponent has a check, such as Aggron or Ferroseed, then Lycanroc-N should consider one of its coverage moves to deal with the aforementioned Pokemon.
  • Lycanroc-N also has the option to Toxic predicted switch-ins, required they are not immune like Weezing and Probopass, to cripple them for either itself or teammates. Pokemon like Gastrodon and Passimian are susceptible to Toxic from Lycanroc-N.
  • Like most Choiced Pokemon, Lycanroc-N hates being locked into a weak move or Toxic if it predicts wrong, as it's an extreme momentum drain and gives the opponent ample opportunity to either set up or chip the incoming teammate.

Team Options
========
  • Lycanroc-N will often only see use on more offensive teams, and usually wont find a spot on balance, as a soft check to Fire- and Normal-types along with being a usable revenge killer.
  • Mesprit is able to provide a myriad of support options for Lycanroc-N, like checking Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Hitmonchan, providing both Healing Wish and Stealth Rock support, and a slow pivot with U-turn. Lycanroc-N in return can deal with Dark-types like Skuntank and Liepard, along with checking Ghost-types such as Oricorio-G and Haunter, which usually force Mesprit out or trap it.
  • Generally, if you're using Lycanroc-N, you want either a form of priority or another fast Pokemon. Swanna and Kangaskhan are notable as Swanna can deal with Fighting- and Ground-types, such as Primeape and Golurk, and Kangaskhan can check faster Choice Scarf users like Oricorio-G and Shiftry. Lycanroc-N in return helps deal with fast opponents like Archeops and Lycanroc.
  • Gurdurr and Hitmonchan are good partners for Lycanroc-N because it can beat faster Ghost-types, like Haunter and Oricorio-G, and can also soften physical walls such as Weezing. In return, Gurdurr absorbs status, such as Toxic and Will-O-Wisp, and Hitmonchan can spin hazards away to ensure that Lycanroc-N isn't constantly chipped whenever it switches in.
  • Strong Fire-types like Magmortar and Pyroar appreciate fast Water-types, like Swanna and Floatzel being lured by Lycanroc-N, while they are able to break physical walls like Palossand and Sableye, and also absorb Will-O-Wisp from Pokemon such as Gourgeist-XL.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • Swords Dance can be an interesting breaker, especially with No Guard, but standard Lycanroc is able to do this better thanks to a great Speed tier and access to Accelerock. Lycanroc-N also has to drop one of its coverage moves if it wants to run Sucker Punch to mitigate its low Speed, which can often lead to 4mss.
  • A Stealth Rock lead set can be utilised, but again Lycanroc and Archeops outclass it, as they have access to a better Speed tier with Archeops having Head Smash to block hazard removal and Lycanroc having priority with Accelerock.
  • Choice Band can be used for a higher damage output against physical walls like musharna and miltank, but is often outclassed by other wallbreakers such as Aggron and Passimian, who posses better coverage and STAB combinations.
  • Facade is a niche option to slightly mitigate being burned, but Lycanroc-N is basically neutered once this happens because it's unable to spam Stone Edge.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physical walls**: Lycanroc-N has trouble breaking Pokemon like Miltank, Musharna, and Gastrodon, which can either use it as fodder or heal up against it. The latter two have to be wary of Toxic, but Miltank can shrug it off with Heal Bell.

**Ground-types**: Lycanroc-N has very little to break Ground-types like Golurk, Mudsdale, and Palossand, which are able to easily force it out. All of them have to, again, be wary of Toxic, which cripples them.

**Fighting-types**: Lycanroc-N is unable to break most Fighting-types, as Pokemon like Gurdurr and Hitmonchan resist its STAB Stone Edge and both carry priority. Gurdurr can also switch into Toxic and benefit from it thanks to Guts.

**Faster Choice Scarf users**: Due to Lycanroc-N being a very slow Choice Scarf user, other Choice Scarf Pokemon like Primeape, Mesprit, and Lilligant can outspeed and revenge kill it. However, the latter two don't want to switch into a STAB Stone Edge.
 
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[OVERVIEW]
  • good speed tier, with choice scarf n all, coupled with a decent attack stat and ability that means it's a decent revenge killer idk about good speed tier, usable enough for a scarfer but like u even say later how it loses out on other scarfers and it loses to plenty of mons that've boosted already so eh doesnt seem quite fair. ive always seen it more like scarf aboma tbh, uses scarf to be a regular attacker but isnt revenging anything that sets up
  • no guard stone edge is extremely spammable
  • okay defensives means it can take a neutral hit if needed
  • enough moves like fire punch, stomping tantrum and facade means it can like not be walled completely by things such as ferroseed, togedemaru, and probopass. facade also means it isn't crippled by burn facade isnt relevant enough to be worth putting in oo. its coverage is good enough to mention, but not good enough to wax on about like "omg it can hit ferro" not that well rly. oh also just noticed u took facade off the set
  • quite slow for a scarfer and outsped by almost every single revenge killer in the tier, like primeape and swanna, meh single stab leaves it with only one strong attack option, low power coverage options means that if it's locked into one of its coverage moves it will do minimal damage if no super effective
  • no guard can suck for you too as it makes all opponents attacks always hit nah i woudlnt mention this, never rly becomes relevant
  • easily dealt with by priority too and cant break bulkier pokemon like gurdurr and gastrodon

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Fire Punch
move 3: Stomping Tantrum
move 4: Toxic
item: Choice Scarf
ability: No Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Stone Edge 100% accurate super nice stab move and reliable
  • Fire Punch is mainly to hit ferroseed, which walls it completely otherwise
  • Stomping Tantrum hits Aggron and Probopass, which can take both a stone edge and fire punch extremely easily
  • Toxic because toxic is the best 4th move ever holy f. it's able to cripple most physical walls, bar steel-types, that usually switch in versus it like gastrodon and gurdurr

Set Details
========
  • max attack and max speed evs coupled with an adamant nature allow it to be as fast and hit as hard as possible
  • choice scarf means lycanroc-m is able to outspeed basically the entire unboosted metagame
  • no guard means both stone edge and stomping tantrum cannot miss stomping tantrum is 100% accurate :blobglare:

Usage Tips
========
  • decent revenge killer thanks to it outspeeding the unboosted metagame but like, revenge killer for things like archeops and specs pyroar. not for any setup mons. that's an important distinction
  • use on more offensive teams that want a soft fire- and normal-type check this is a team option not a usage tip, u seem to do this a lot so :blobstop:
  • spammable stone edge to break things this doesnt mean anything. like yes u should say that stone edge is ur spammable move and dw about clicking that 99% of the time, but "to break things" doesnt make any sense, even with these half sentences
  • use coverage on predicted switch ins or toxic everything also a stupidly generic point that doesnt really help at all like "predict switchins" really thanks
  • cannot revenge faster scarfers and struggles against boosted jynx and lilligant too
  • like most cb :blobthinking: mons, hates being locked into a weak move or toxic

Team Options
========
  • works well on more offensive teams, and usually wont find a spot on balance
  • mesprit is able to provide shit loads for it, lycan-m in return can bop dark-types like skuntank and stuff along with ori-g and haunter u dont actually say what mesprit does....
  • primeape, togedemaru, etc are good because it's not a fast scarfer. they break down physical walls together im sorry ur using physical scarfers to break down walls? wat, no. dual scarfers is also eh, like workable but id also suggest just general prio and shit that happens to check the setup mons if u catch my drift
  • gurdurr and chan are good partners for it because it can beat faster ghost-types and also dent weezing hard. gurdurr absorbs status and chan can spin hazards away this doesnt hit weezing that hard, like decently but it's not an especially good way of chipping the thing
  • strong fire-types like magmortar and pyroar appreciate fast water-types like swanna and floatzel being bopped, while they also help break physical walls palossand and sableye if u mean that this lures faster waters, just say that. because you dont here.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • swords dance can be an interesting breaker, especially with no guard, but standard lycanroc does this better overall say something about how you'd wanna fit sucker on that set, because it tells people what to run but also helps explain why reg lycan is better i.e. accelerock is dope
  • stealth rock lead can be used, but again lycanroc and archeops outclass it
  • choice band can be used for extra damage output on physical walls like musharna and miltank, but is often outclassed by other wallbreakers such as aggron and passimian
  • facade because who likes being burned amirite?

Checks and Counters
===================

**physical walls**: has trouble breaking things like miltank, musharna, gastrodon, etc, which can either use it as fodder or heal up against it. have to be wary of toxic though

**ground-types**: has very little to break ground-types like golurk, mudsdale and palossand. all have to again be wary of toxic

**priority**: susceptible to mach punch from hitmonchan, aqua jet from carrascosta and kabutops, and sucker punch from absol and skuntank.

**faster choice scarf users**: very slow choice scarf user so things like primeape, mesprit, etc can outspeed and revenge kill it
look i dont want to be the c&c grumpy dude but like, this is officially where you've gone too far with the whole "im good enough at analyses to not need to put any effort into the 0/3 stage", and there is really no reason that I'd have to put in as many edits on your analysis as I do on someone who's never done one before. not stamping, you could've spent another 5 min and this wouldve been fine but the quality here is genuinely bad.
 

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[OVERVIEW]
  • Lycanroc-N is able to carve a somewhat okay niche for itself in PU thanks to No Guard coupled with both a reasonable Attack and Speed stat, allowing it to act as a decent revenge killer, against foes like Oricorio-G and Archeops, when using a Choice Scarf.
  • No Guard makes Stone Edge an extremely spammable move for Lycanroc-N to abuse, without the fear of missing.
  • While not great, Lycanroc-N has decent defensive stats, allowing it to take neutral hits if needed.
  • Good enough coverage with moves like Fire Punch and Stomping Tantrum means Lycanroc-N isn't walled completely by Pokemon such as Ferroseed, Togedemaru, and Probopass.
  • However, Lycanroc-N is quite slow for a Choice Scarf user and is outsped by almost every other Choice Scarf user in the tier, like Primeape and Swanna, meaning that Lycanroc-N is often both a lacklustre choice and easily revenge killed. it's unclear what "lackluster" choice means here, like bad scarfer or bad mon plus neither wouldve really been explained. also you might wanna change to the american spellings now cuz i remember gp changed a ton of that brit spelling in the article
  • With only a single STAB, it leaves Lycanroc-N with only one strong attack option and with low power coverage options, meaning that if it's locked into one of its coverage moves it will do minimal damage if the attack isn't super effective. This is also applicable to Toxic, as being locked into Toxic can be a momentum drain if the opponent has a Steel- or Poison-type.
  • Lycanroc-N is rather susceptible to priority, being weak to both Gurdurr and Hitmonchan's Mach Punch, along with Carracosta and Kabutops' Aqua Jet.
  • With only a decent Attack stat and rather weak coverage, Lycanroc-N finds it extremely difficult to break bulkier Pokemon like Musharna and Gastrodon, and is often set up fodder for said Pokemon.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Stone Edge
move 2: Fire Punch
move 3: Stomping Tantrum
move 4: Toxic
item: Choice Scarf
ability: No Guard
nature: Adamant
evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
========
  • Stone Edge is Lycanroc-N's most reliable STAB move because, thanks to its ability No Guard, it's 100% accurate, allowing it to deal with Pokemon like Archeops, Magmortar, and Jynx consistently.
  • Fire Punch is mainly to give Lycanroc-N the ability to hit Ferroseed, which walls it completely otherwise.
  • Stomping Tantrum allows Lycanroc-N to hit Aggron and Probopass, which can take both a Stone Edge and Fire Punch extremely easily.
  • Toxic is used to cripple most physical walls, bar Steel-types, that usually switch in versus Lycanroc-N, like Gastrodon and Gurdurr.

Set Details
========
  • Maximum Attack Speed investment coupled with an Adamant Nature allow it to be as fast and hit as hard as possible.
  • Choice Scarf means Lycanroc-N is able to outspeed basically the entire unboosted metagame, and act as an adequate off to more offensive teams.
  • No Guard is the ability of choice, as it gives Lycanroc-N a spammable STAB Stone Edge that is unable to miss.

Usage Tips
========
  • Lycanroc-N is able to act as a decent revenge killer against usually faster opponents, like Alolan Raichu and Floatzel, but cannot be relied on to revenge kill Speed-boosting Pokemon like Jynx and Lilligant.
  • Lycanroc-N should aim to spam Stone Edge as much as possible, as it's its strongest move, to deal with weakened or frail foes. If the opponent has a check, such as Aggron or Ferroseed, then Lycanroc-N should consider one of its coverage moves to deal with the aforementioned Pokemon.
  • Lycanroc-N also has the option to Toxic predicted switch-ins, required they are not immune like Weezing and Probopass, to cripple them for either itself or teammates. Pokemon like Gastrodon and Passimian are susceptible to Toxic from Lycanroc-N.
  • Like most Choiced Pokemon, Lycanroc-N hates being locked into a weak move or Toxic if it predicts wrong, as it's an extreme momentum drain and gives the opponent ample opportunity to either set up or chip the incoming teammate.
i feel like it's worth just outright saying that this is more of a fast attacker which uses a scarf rather than a traditional kind of scarfer in the vein of toge or ape

Team Options
========
  • Lycanroc-N will often only see use on more offensive teams, and usually wont find a spot on balance, as a soft check to Fire- and Normal-types along with being a usable revenge killer.
  • Mesprit is able to provide a myriad of support options for Lycanroc-N, like checking Fighting-types such as Gurdurr and Hitmonchan, providing both Healing Wish and Stealth Rock support, and a slow pivot with U-turn. Lycanroc-N in return can deal with Dark-types like Skuntank and Liepard, along with checking Ghost-types such as Oricorio-G and Haunter, which usually force Mesprit out or trap it.
  • Generally, if you're using Lycanroc-N, you want either a form of priority or another fast Pokemon. Swanna and Kangaskhan are notable as Swanna can deal with Fighting- and Ground-types, such as Primeape and Golurk, and Kangaskhan can check faster Choice Scarf users like Oricorio-G and Shiftry. Lycanroc-N in return helps deal with fast opponents like Archeops and Lycanroc.
  • Gurdurr and Hitmonchan are good partners for Lycanroc-N because it can beat faster Ghost-types, like Haunter and Oricorio-G, and can also soften physical walls such as Weezing. In return, Gurdurr absorbs status, such as Toxic and Will-O-Wisp, and Hitmonchan can spin hazards away to ensure that Lycanroc-N isn't constantly chipped whenever it switches in.
  • Strong Fire-types like Magmortar and Pyroar appreciate fast Water-types, like Swanna and Floatzel being lured by Lycanroc-N, while they are able to break physical walls like Palossand and Sableye, and also absorb Will-O-Wisp from Pokemon such as Gourgeist-XL.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============
  • Swords Dance can be an interesting breaker, especially with No Guard, but standard Lycanroc is able to do this better thanks to a great Speed tier and access to Accelerock. Lycanroc-N also has to drop one of its coverage moves if it wants to run Sucker Punch to mitigate its low Speed, which can often lead to 4mss.
  • A Stealth Rock lead set can be utilised, but again Lycanroc and Archeops outclass it, as they have access to a better Speed tier with Archeops having Head Smash to block hazard removal and Lycanroc having priority with Accelerock.
  • Choice Band can be used for a higher damage output against physical walls like musharna and miltank, but is often outclassed by other wallbreakers such as Aggron and Passimian, who posses better coverage and STAB combinations.
  • Facade is a niche option to slightly mitigate being burned, but Lycanroc-N is basically neutered once this happens because it's unable to spam Stone Edge.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Physical walls**: Lycanroc-N has trouble breaking Pokemon like Miltank, Musharna, and Gastrodon, which can either use it as fodder or heal up against it. The latter two have to be wary of Toxic, but Miltank can shrug it off with Heal Bell.

**Ground-types**: Lycanroc-N has very little to break Ground-types like Golurk, Mudsdale, and Palossand, which are able to easily force it out. All of them have to, again, be wary of Toxic, which cripples them.

**Priority**: Lycanroc-N is susceptible to Mach Punch from Hitmonchan and Gurdurr, Aqua Jet from Carrascosta and Kabutops, and Sucker Punch from Absol and Skuntank, especially is it has received prior chip damage. is it really that susceptible? like u can do the calcs, idk that these are much worse for it than anything else and u lose to fighting types anyway. either write this differently so it's more clear why they lose to prio or just change it into a section about fighting types

**Faster Choice Scarf users**: Due to Lycanroc-N being a very slow Choice Scarf user, other Choice Scarf Pokemon like Primeape, Mesprit, and Lilligant can outspeed and revenge kill it. However, the latter two don't want to switch into a STAB Stone Edge.
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