Roselia (NU Revamp) [GP 2/2]

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[Overview]

Take one look at Roselia's learnset and one thing should scream out to you: Spikes. Combine that with a decent typing that allows Roselia to check two of the most threatening Pokemon in the tier in Huntail and Hitmonchan, a great Special Attack stat, decent Speed, and a deep supportive movepool, and it's easy to see why Roselia has a secure place in NU as a top-tier threat. While Glalie fits more offensive teams as a Spikes lead, Roselia fits better on balance and stall teams, which happen to be far more prominent in the metagame. So, what's the downside? In short: Roselia's frailty. While Roselia can get by with making smart switches to make use of its typing, its lack of bulk, especially physically, can get the better of it. Ultimately, Roselia's definitely worth bringing on any team you want Spikes on, and you definitely want Spikes on your team in this tier.

[SET]
name: Defensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Synthesis / Protect
move 3: Toxic / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Giga Drain / Magical Leaf
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Roselia is by far the easiest Spikes user to fit on your team in NU, and this set tries its best to reflect that. While Glalie is overall bulkier than Roselia, it has a far worse typing suited for defensive teams and lacks recovery, making Roselia much easier to fit on these types of teams. Roselia's usable movepool is also pretty deep, meaning there's a lot of different combinations of moves you can use here and still remain effective at what Roselia sets out to do: mainly, set up Spikes. Synthesis is the biggest move that sets Roselia apart from Glalie and Cacturne and is highlighted here, allowing Roselia to effectively check certain special attackers like Bellossom, defensive Wailord, Plusle, and Haunter not carrying Psychic throughout the match. Protect makes a decent alternative to Synthesis and pairs well with Toxic to build damage, scout Choice Band users' moves, and stall for Leftovers recovery. If you choose Toxic for the third moveslot it'll likely end up as Roselia's main method of damage, as it is Roselia's best tool for Flareon and other defensive threats looking to switch into Roselia for free. Alternatively, Hidden Power Fire can be used in the third slot if you require Roselia to better check Mawile and Bellossom and prevent the opponent from using Roselia as setup bait. The last slot goes to Roselia's STAB move of choice. Giga Drain makes use of Roselia's great Special Attack and allows it to effectively check the Pokemon it needs to, particularly Huntail. If the PP is off putting to you, Magical Leaf is a decent alternative.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Near-maximum Special Defense investment is needed so that Roselia has the best possible chance of checking Huntail, as even with full investment Timid Huntail still has a ~3% chance of 2HKOing Roselia with Ice Beam. Roselia's physical defense is so paltry that most investment there is wasted. For example, at maximum Defense Roselia will still take 38.8 - 45.7% from an unboosted Hitmonchan's Earthquake. However, with 20 Defense EVs, Roselia can avoid some OHKOs, particularly from Piloswine's Earthquake and Pidgeot's Aerial Ace. 32 Defense EVs can be run to avoid a 2HKO from Hitmonchan's Rock Slide. Roselia's Speed is decent, so some investment there could be worth it, but there are no major benchmarks worth investing for except for Flareon and Dewgong, both of which will cream Roselia regardless. If running Speed, a more offensive set can be run that forgoes any bulk at all and focuses on Roselia's great Special Attack stat. A spread such as this is mostly outclassed by Cacturne and to a lesser extent Glalie, but it can be very effective at luring in opposing Roselia and other common checks such as Golbat and eliminating them with the appropriate move.

As stated before, Roselia's movepool is pretty deep, so there are some niche options worth careful consideration over the options listed above. Sludge Bomb makes a decent attacking alternative to Giga Drain despite Roselia's low Attack because of the high poison chance it possesses and the fact that most of the Pokemon that are likely to switch into Roselia have lower Defense than Special Defense. Hidden Power Water is Roselia's best attacking move for Flareon, but it'll still do pitiful damage if you're not running a lot of Special Attack. Hidden Power Psychic will do a lot of damage to the Pokemon that can normally switch into Roselia for free, such as Golbat, Swalot, and opposing Roselia. Stun Spore can severely cripple some of the more offensive Pokemon looking to switch into Roselia for free and is a good tool to help support a slower sweeper of your own, such as Calm Mind Chimecho. Aromatherapy is a great move if using Roselia on a stall team as an alternative cleric to Chimecho. Leech Seed can make Roselia very hard for opposing defensive teams to take down, but it can leave Roselia walled hard by other Grass-types. Grass Whistle is Roselia's only method for putting the enemy to sleep, and while its accuracy is pretty shoddy, if you're using Roselia on a stall-centric team it should have a few opportunities to get Grass Whistle to connect. Finally, Rest is an acceptable alternative to Synthesis when used with Natural Cure, but the required switching to heal the sleep can spell doom if not used correctly.

Roselia fits best on defensive teams, so naturally defensive Pokemon are going to make the best teammates. In particular, Roselia should be paired with Pokemon that can make the most of the Spikes that it'll set up. Phazers such as Wailord, Flareon, Piloswine, and Tropius should be top of the list for consideration when building a team with Roselia on it, as they can prevent setup sweepers from becoming too dangerous and rack up Spikes damage simultaneously. Physically defensive teammates such as Relicanth and Pelipper are needed to switch into the threats that can switch into Roselia without fear and force it out. Sableye in particular makes a fantastic partner to use alongside Roselia, as it counters many of Roselia's checks and has the added benefit of being able to spinblock to ensure that Roselia's Spikes stay on the opponent's side of the field.

[Other Options]

A SubSeed set is very much usable, in particular thanks to Roselia's natural immunity to Toxic. However, there are many prominent Grass-types in NU, meaning it'll very likely be completely walled in matches more than not. Psych Up is an option to allow Roselia to check certain Calm Mind sweepers such as Sableye, but Roselia naturally loses to the most prominent user in Chimecho. Finally, Growth can be used to make Roselia a bit of a self-sufficient sweeper, but Roselia's bulk is just not there to allow for consistent setup.

[Checks and Counters]

Hitmonchan can easily 2HKO Roselia with Earthquake and spin away Roselia's Spikes, making it the most prominent counter to consider when teambuilding. The number of spinners that threaten Roselia pretty much stops there, though, apart from Delibird, so the most effective way to limit Roselia's Spikes is to KO it as quickly as possible. Flareon can switch into anything Roselia throws at it except for Toxic and easily OHKOes Roselia with Fire Blast. Swalot utterly walls Roselia and even causes Giga Drain and Leech Seed to backfire thanks to Liquid Ooze. Flying-types, such as Murkrow, Pidgeot, and Golbat, fear little from Roselia's moves and easily OHKO it with their STAB moves. Other Grass-types with moves to hit Roselia super effectively, such as Hidden Power Fire Bellossom and Tangela, will easily tank anything Roselia throws at them save for Sludge Bomb, even being immune to Leech Seed. For the most part, physically offensive Pokemon like Raticate, Metang, Vigoroth, and Kingler will easily OHKO Roselia with their STAB moves or Double-Edge.
 
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EVs: 252 HP / 64 Def / 192 SDef
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SAtk
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)

tends to be my spread!
Choice Band Hitmonchan Earthquake vs. Roselia: 256-302 (84.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Avoids that from OHKOing. Somewhere you should mention it's a solid back-up check to hitmonchan, due to its poison+grass typing.
 

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The super standard Roselia listed above tbh is out of date, predictable, and too easily beaten. I don't think I'd ever run Giga Drain anymore in particular. HP Grass 100% or I'd even consider Magical Leaf if running another HP (Psychic is best!) for the PP. Giga Drain just doesn't recover much anyway when it is mostly used against like... Flareon switch ins.

IMO Rest is the best set due to Roselia's issues with longevity. Having to switch out afterwards is no big deal since Roselia almost always has to switch out the turn after it heals anyway, since that's a pivot turn for the opponent to a fire/bird/psychic/etc

I also think shifting just a touch of special bulk to physical is worth it for a few calcs, such as not getting OHKOed by Diglett/Piloswine's EQ or Golbat/Pidgeot's Aerial Ace. Those take only 20 Def. I think I like to go with 32 Def which also does this:
252+ Atk Hitmonchan Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 32 Def Roselia: 136-161 (44.7 - 52.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(PS fuck flinches)
 
I agree with the above about the Defense EVs, but I think Roselia is an under rated Bellosom counter in its own right with HP Fire and a better rain counter with Giga Drain. In the sun, it heals off Bellosoms HP Fire very easily even in the Sun with Synthesis. Another valuable use for HP Fire is nailing Metang and Mawile who otherwise set up on Roselia.

I generally find synthesis superior to rest since it forces the opponent to attack or risk a layer of Spikes where as there is basically no risk if Roselia is asleep. It's not like it has to fear toxic or anything.

In NU the set I run most of the time is Spikes /synthesis / hp fire / Giga Drain. I could see all types of status moves working over hp fire or giga. This Mon should rarely be attacking and should usually be Spiking or doubling.
 

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move 1: Spikes
move 2: Synthesis
move 3: Giga Drain / Magical Leaf
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Stun Spore


basically echoing heysup's points. Giga Drain is vital because you need to maintain the positive matchup against huntail (you don't ohko with anything and there's a solid chance to 2 hit rose with ice beam if a spike is up) but magical leaf is better if you're running something more defensive and have another huntail check in the back like wailord.

HP Fire is best like Heysup said, but stun spore is also super vital in the tier because of how important speed control is. there's about a million things in the tier that try and get free switch ins vs rose (pidge, murk, fires, etc) and stun spore often times fucks over an opponent's offensive plays.

also yeah rest is bad imo because it makes the huntail and bellossom matchup much harder. not to mention stuff like sableye or dewgong where you want to get your recovery off in one turn while setting spikes.
 

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I think it really depends what team you're using Roselia on. If it's the sole thing you're relying on to check Bellossom, then of course Rest is worse than Synthesis, since synthesis is practically a sleepless Rest in sun.

If however you're using Roselia on a full stall team, you probably have something that takes on Bellossom/Tangela even better like Flareon, Lickitung, or Togetic. And you probably have something that takes Huntail on better like Dewgong, Wailord, or Lickitung.

In this instance, you really just want Roselia to be a super sturdy spiker who can keep returning and spiking. Rest is much better for that.

IMO that's the team Roselia fits best on - It's really the only spike option for stall since Glalie is not sturdy, and that's what informed my comments.
 

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Roselia fits on just about every playstyle, not just stall. A glalie lead or cacturne is not the only spiker available for offensive archetypes considering roselia's ability to check some of the threats that most pressure offense. Like, rose is arguably one of the most easily splashable pokemon in the tier because it is by far the most consistent spiker. I agree it's the only spiker for stall, but stall itself is pretty uncommon and for good reason because of the unique matchup it needs to be successful. And if you're using rose on anything other than stall then you can't afford to switch out every time you need to heal, regardless of whether or not you heal to full. Its staying power should stay intact.
 

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Edited the set a bit. I personally don't think Stun Spore or Rest deserve to be slashed as they are more team specific than the other "standard" options. I can definitely deslash Protect, but of all the ProTox mons in NU right now I think Roselia is one of the more dangerous
 

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[Overview]

Take one look at Roselia's learnset and one thing should scream out to you: Spikes. Combine that with a decent typing that allows Roselia to check two of the most threatening Pokemon in the tier in Huntail and Hitmonchan, a great Special Attack stat, decent Speed, and a deep supportive movepool, (AC) and it's easy to see why Roselia has a secure place in NU as a top-tier (AH) threat. While Glalie fits more offensive teams as a Spikes lead, Roselia fits better on balance and stall teams, (AC) which happen to be far more prominent in the metagame. So, what's the downside? In short: Roselia's frailty. While Roselia can get by with making smart switches to make use of its typing, its lack of bulk, especially physically, can get the better of it. Ultimately, Roselia's definitely worth bringing on any team you want Spikes on, and you definitely want Spikes on your team in this tier.

[SET]
name: Defensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Synthesis / Protect
move 3: Toxic / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Giga Drain / Magical Leaf
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Roselia is easily by far (to cut out the repetition that i introduced by rewording splashable, if you have other ideas to take that one then feel free to keep obv) the most splashable easiest Spikes user to fit on your team in NU, and this set tries its best to reflect that. While Glalie is overall bulkier than Roselia, it has a far worse typing suited for defensive teams and lacks recovery, making Roselia much easier to fit on these types of teams. Roselia's usable movepool is also pretty deep, meaning there's a lot of different combinations of moves you can use here and still remain effective at what Roselia sets out to do: mainly, set up Spikes. Synthesis is the biggest move that sets Roselia apart from Glalie and Cacturne and is highlighted here, allowing Roselia to effectively check certain special attackers like Bellossom, defensive Wailord, Plusle, and Haunter not carrying Psychic throughout the match. Protect makes a decent alternative to Synthesis and pairs well with Toxic to build damage, scout Choice Band users' moves, and stall for Leftovers recovery. If you choose Toxic for the third moveslot it'll likely end up as Roselia's main method of damage, as it is Roselia's best tool for Flareon and other defensive threats looking to switch into Roselia for free. Alternatively, Hidden Power Fire can be used in the third slot if you require Roselia to better check Mawile and Bellossom and prevent the opponent from using Roselia as setup bait. The last slot goes to Roselia's STAB move of choice. Giga Drain makes use of Roselia's great Special Attack and allows it to effectively check the Pokemon it needs to, particularly Huntail. If the PP is off putting to you, Magical Leaf is a decent alternative.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Near-maximum Special Defense investment is needed so that Roselia has the best possible chance of checking Huntail, as even with full investment Timid Huntail still has a ~3% chance of 2HKOing Roselia with Ice Beam. Roselia's physical defense is so paltry that most investment there is wasted. For example, at maximum Defense Roselia will still take 38.8 - 45.7% from an unboosted Hitmonchan's Earthquake. However, with 20 Defense EVs, Roselia can avoid some OHKOes OHKOs, particularly from Piloswine's Earthquake and Pidgeot's Aerial Ace. 32 Defense EVs can be run to avoid a 2HKO from Hitmonchan's Rock Slide. Roselia's Speed is decent, (AC) so some investment there could be worth it, but there are no major benchmarks worth investing for except for Flareon and Dewgong, both of which will cream Roselia regardless. If running Speed, a more offensive set can be run that forgoes any bulk at all and focuses on Roselia's great Special Attack stat. A spread such as this is mostly outclassed by Cacturne and to a lesser extent Glalie, but it can be very effective at luring in opposing Roselia and other common checks such as Golbat and eliminate them with the appropriate move.

As stated before, Roselia's movepool is pretty deep, so there are some niche options worth careful consideration over the options listed above. Sludge Bomb makes a decent attacking alternative to Giga Drain despite Roselia's low Attack because of the high poison chance it possesses and the fact that most of the Pokemon that are likely to switch into Roselia have lower Defense than Special Defense. Hidden Power Water is Roselia's best attacking move for Flareon, but it'll still do pitiful damage if you're not running a lot of Special Attack. Hidden Power Psychic will do a lot of damage to the Pokemon that can normally switch into Roselia for free, such as Golbat, Swalot, and opposing Roselia. Stun Spore can severely cripple some of the more offensive Pokemon looking to switch into Roselia for free and is a good tool to help support a slower sweeper of your own, such as Calm Mind Chimecho. Aromatherapy is a great move if using Roselia on a stall team as an alternative cleric to Chimecho. Leech Seed can make Roselia very hard for opposing defensive teams to take down, but it can leave Roselia walled hard by other Grass-types. Grass Whistle is Roselia's only method for putting the enemy to sleep, and while its accuracy is pretty shoddy, if you're using Roselia on a stall-centric team it should have a few opportunities to get Grass Whistle to connect. Finally, Rest is an acceptable alternative to Synthesis when used with Natural Cure, but the required switching to heal the sleep can spell doom if not used correctly.

Roselia fits best on defensive teams, so naturally defensive Pokemon are going to make the best teammates. In particular, Roselia should be paired with Pokemon that can make the most of the Spikes that it'll set up. Phazers such as Wailord, Flareon, Piloswine, and Tropius should be top of the list for consideration when building a team with Roselia on it, (AC) as they can prevent set up setup sweepers from becoming too dangerous and rack up Spikes damage simultaneously. Physically defensive teammates such as Relicanth and Pelipper are needed to switch into the threats that can switch into Roselia without fear and force it out. Sableye in particular makes a fantastic partner to use alongside Roselia, (AC) as it counters many of Roselia's checks and has the added benefit of being able to spinblock to ensure that Roselia's Spikes stay on the opponent's side of the field.

[Other Options]

A SubSeed set is very much usable, in particular thanks to Roselia's natural immunity to Toxic. However, there are many prominent Grass-types in NU, meaning it'll very likely be completely walled in matches more than not. Psych Up is an option to allow Roselia to check certain Calm Mind sweepers such as Sableye, but Roselia naturally loses to the most prominent user in Chimecho. Finally, Growth can be used to make Roselia a bit of a self-sufficient sweeper, but Roselia's bulk is just not there to allow for consistent setup.

[Checks and Counters]

Hitmonchan can easily 2HKO Roselia with Earthquake and spin away Roselia's Spikes, making it the most prominent counter to consider when teambuilding. The number of spinners that threaten Roselia pretty much stops there, (AC) though, (AC) apart from Delibird, so the most effective way to limit Roselia's Spikes is to KO it as quickly as possible. Flareon can switch into anything Roselia throws at it except for Toxic and easily OHKOes Roselia with Fire Blast. Swalot utterly walls Roselia and even causes Giga Drain and Leech Seed to backfire thanks to Liquid Ooze. Flying-types, such as Murkrow, Pidgeot, and Golbat, fear little from Roselia's moves and easily OHKO it with their STAB moves. Other Grass-types with moves to hit Roselia super effectively, such as Hidden Power Fire Bellossom and Tangela, will easily tank anything Roselia throws at them save for Sludge Bomb, even being immune to Leech Seed. For the most part, physically offensive Pokemon like Raticate, Metang, Vigoroth, and Kingler will easily OHKO Roselia with their STAB moves or Double-Edge.
 
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[Overview]

Take one look at Roselia's learnset and one thing should scream out to you: Spikes. Combine that with a decent typing that allows Roselia to check two of the most threatening Pokemon in the tier in Huntail and Hitmonchan, a great Special Attack stat, decent Speed, and a deep supportive movepool, and it's easy to see why Roselia has a secure place in NU as a top-tier threat. While Glalie fits more offensive teams as a Spikes lead, Roselia fits better on balance and stall teams, which happen to be far more prominent in the metagame. So, what's the downside? In short: Roselia's frailty. While Roselia can get by with making smart switches to make use of its typing, its lack of bulk, especially physically, can get the better of it. Ultimately, Roselia's definitely worth bringing on any team you want Spikes on, and you definitely want Spikes on your team in this tier.

[SET]
name: Defensive Spikes
move 1: Spikes
move 2: Synthesis / Protect
move 3: Toxic / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Giga Drain / Magical Leaf
item: Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Calm
evs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 236 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Roselia is by far the easiest Spikes user to fit on your team in NU, and this set tries its best to reflect that. While Glalie is overall bulkier than Roselia, it has a far worse typing suited for defensive teams and lacks recovery, making Roselia much easier to fit on these types of teams. Roselia's usable movepool is also pretty deep, meaning there's a lot of different combinations of moves you can use here and still remain effective at what Roselia sets out to do: mainly, set up Spikes. Synthesis is the biggest move that sets Roselia apart from Glalie and Cacturne and is highlighted here, allowing Roselia to effectively check certain special attackers like Bellossom, defensive Wailord, Plusle, and Haunter not carrying Psychic throughout the match. Protect makes a decent alternative to Synthesis and pairs well with Toxic to build damage, scout Choice Band users' moves, and stall for Leftovers recovery. If you choose Toxic for the third moveslot it'll likely end up as Roselia's main method of damage, as it is Roselia's best tool for Flareon and other defensive threats looking to switch into Roselia for free. Alternatively, Hidden Power Fire can be used in the third slot if you require Roselia to better check Mawile and Bellossom and prevent the opponent from using Roselia as setup bait. The last slot goes to Roselia's STAB move of choice. Giga Drain makes use of Roselia's great Special Attack and allows it to effectively check the Pokemon it needs to, particularly Huntail. If the PP is off putting to you, Magical Leaf is a decent alternative.

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

Near-maximum Special Defense investment is needed so that Roselia has the best possible chance of checking Huntail, as even with full investment Timid Huntail still has a ~3% chance of 2HKOing Roselia with Ice Beam. Roselia's physical defense is so paltry that most investment there is wasted. For example, at maximum Defense Roselia will still take 38.8 - 45.7% from an unboosted Hitmonchan's Earthquake. However, with 20 Defense EVs, Roselia can avoid some OHKOs, particularly from Piloswine's Earthquake and Pidgeot's Aerial Ace. 32 Defense EVs can be run to avoid a 2HKO from Hitmonchan's Rock Slide. Roselia's Speed is decent, so some investment there could be worth it, but there are no major benchmarks worth investing for except for Flareon and Dewgong, both of which will cream Roselia regardless. If running Speed, a more offensive set can be run that forgoes any bulk at all and focuses on Roselia's great Special Attack stat. A spread such as this is mostly outclassed by Cacturne and to a lesser extent Glalie, but it can be very effective at luring in opposing Roselia and other common checks such as Golbat and eliminate eliminating them with the appropriate move.

As stated before, Roselia's movepool is pretty deep, so there are some niche options worth careful consideration over the options listed above. Sludge Bomb makes a decent attacking alternative to Giga Drain despite Roselia's low Attack because of the high poison chance it possesses and the fact that most of the Pokemon that are likely to switch into Roselia have lower Defense than Special Defense. Hidden Power Water is Roselia's best attacking move for Flareon, but it'll still do pitiful damage if you're not running a lot of Special Attack. Hidden Power Psychic will do a lot of damage to the Pokemon that can normally switch into Roselia for free, such as Golbat, Swalot, and opposing Roselia. Stun Spore can severely cripple some of the more offensive Pokemon looking to switch into Roselia for free and is a good tool to help support a slower sweeper of your own, such as Calm Mind Chimecho. Aromatherapy is a great move if using Roselia on a stall team as an alternative cleric to Chimecho. Leech Seed can make Roselia very hard for opposing defensive teams to take down, but it can leave Roselia walled hard by other Grass-types. Grass Whistle is Roselia's only method for putting the enemy to sleep, and while its accuracy is pretty shoddy, if you're using Roselia on a stall-centric team it should have a few opportunities to get Grass Whistle to connect. Finally, Rest is an acceptable alternative to Synthesis when used with Natural Cure, but the required switching to heal the sleep can spell doom if not used correctly.

Roselia fits best on defensive teams, so naturally defensive Pokemon are going to make the best teammates. In particular, Roselia should be paired with Pokemon that can make the most of the Spikes that it'll set up. Phazers such as Wailord, Flareon, Piloswine, and Tropius should be top of the list for consideration when building a team with Roselia on it, as they can prevent setup sweepers from becoming too dangerous and rack up Spikes damage simultaneously. Physically defensive teammates such as Relicanth and Pelipper are needed to switch into the threats that can switch into Roselia without fear and force it out. Sableye in particular makes a fantastic partner to use alongside Roselia, as it counters many of Roselia's checks and has the added benefit of being able to spinblock to ensure that Roselia's Spikes stay on the opponent's side of the field.

[Other Options]

A SubSeed set is very much usable, in particular thanks to Roselia's natural immunity to Toxic. However, there are many prominent Grass-types in NU, meaning it'll very likely be completely walled in matches more than not. Psych Up is an option to allow Roselia to check certain Calm Mind sweepers such as Sableye, but Roselia naturally loses to the most prominent user in Chimecho. Finally, Growth can be used to make Roselia a bit of a self-sufficient sweeper, but Roselia's bulk is just not there to allow for consistent setup.

[Checks and Counters]

Hitmonchan can easily 2HKO Roselia with Earthquake and spin away Roselia's Spikes, making it the most prominent counter to consider when teambuilding. The number of spinners that threaten Roselia pretty much stops there, though, apart from Delibird, so the most effective way to limit Roselia's Spikes is to KO it as quickly as possible. Flareon can switch into anything Roselia throws at it except for Toxic and easily OHKOes Roselia with Fire Blast. Swalot utterly walls Roselia and even causes Giga Drain and Leech Seed to backfire thanks to Liquid Ooze. Flying-types, such as Murkrow, Pidgeot, and Golbat, fear little from Roselia's moves and easily OHKO it with their STAB moves. Other Grass-types with moves to hit Roselia super effectively, such as Hidden Power Fire Bellossom and Tangela, will easily tank anything Roselia throws at them save for Sludge Bomb, even being immune to Leech Seed. For the most part, physically offensive Pokemon like Raticate, Metang, Vigoroth, and Kingler will easily OHKO Roselia with their STAB moves or Double-Edge.
 
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