Does your Walrein not have Substitute?? O_o. Stallrein is faster than standard Vaporeon, and nothing (except HP Electric) will break its Sub. You shouldn't have any problem.
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Ice, Ice, Baby - Hail Discussion
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And if you can't help losing Obama, get an Eviolite Snover as backup.
So, Abomasnow with Wood Hammer is probably your best bet against Vapo, but I normally take em down with an offensive Regice (it's TR doubles team, so he might not be as useful in singles). The new typing for Blizzard Rotom makes him a prime candidate for hail teams now too, and can get that nice STAB T-Bolt for all those pesky bulky waters.
Edit: Just checked out the opening post. Even though Hail hurts Nidoking, access to LO Sheer Force T-Bolt (not mention Blizzard) and being Poison type could really help in a situation like that. His weakness to water is a liability against Vapo though.
Edit: Just checked out the opening post. Even though Hail hurts Nidoking, access to LO Sheer Force T-Bolt (not mention Blizzard) and being Poison type could really help in a situation like that. His weakness to water is a liability against Vapo though.
breh
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er... what
I don't suggest using Nidoking; it hits hard but doesn't have engouh speed or bulk to work that well.
How about a magic guard user, immune to hail, and toxic and life orb damage, leech seed, and entry hazard damage. Plus it benefits from toxic preventing sleep, freeze, paralysis or burn (which can still affect speed and attack stats). Think of that flying psychic one that can psychoo shift burn (flame orb) or toxic to vaporeon, can boost with calm mind or cosmic power to boost that STAB psychich move that hits from the foe's defense rather than Sp. Def. stat. etc.
Hmmm I never thought of adding Sigilyph to the team, but that makes him sound pretty good. I might replace my Honchkrow with him, though that makes it harder to counter Reuniclus.
Magic Guard does not prevent hail/sandstorm damage. Only dustproof does. 0.0
Wrong, magic guard prevents all indirect damage, this includes status, weather, life orb recoil, leech seed etc.
Bulbapedia said:
No, Magic Guard does prevent weather damage.
Really? Wow. Then it's dumb of me to be running dustproof on Reuniclus on my sandstorm team. >_<
breh
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Uhh... use Reuniclus instead lol
Also Scizor and (in DW) Unnerve Tar are better (well realistically more useful) Reuniclus counters and Scizor fits well onto any team in general.
Sky drop is just too weak; you might as well use protect or something since all it takes is a switch to any faster physical pokemon (Terrakion especially) is bad.
Articuno does have potential though...
Bold Articuno @ Leftovers
Pressure
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Def
Roost
Blizzard
Substitute
Protect
lure in rock types and sub; lol at them as their Stone Edge is wasted entirely by protect and substitute. 252 SpA makes Articuno less of a sitting duck.
Hidden Power Fire can be stuck somewhere to get rid of nattorei (either way you stall it out of gyro ball I guess but spikes are not fun)
I have to ask, does Tsunbear/Beartic have any worth on a hail team? I know he's not the best Pokemon, but I really like his design and would like to try to find some way to use the guy.
breh
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No.
Your answer is no.
(think logically... what exactly does it gain from being on a hail team?)
Eh, I figured as much. I mean, at most you could slap Brightpowder+Snow Cloak together and pray that you don't get hit while using Bulk Up, but that's incredibly gimmicky and as was said, Mamoswine could do that better if he wanted to.
Really, it seems like the newer Ice types aside from Kyurem don't seem all too handy for Hail teams. Rotom-F's Ghost typing is gone which is a shame as it can't spin-block anymore. I'd have to do some more research on Vanilluxe and Cryogonal, but from what I can tell they probably won't be all too useful either.
@AquaTeamV3
Actually, Vanilluce is quite good. Pody Purge- excuse me, Automotize, is actually a great set up move. A set of Body Purge/Blizzard/HP Fighting/Explosion(or your choice of other filler) with Ice Body and Lefties devastates everything if given the chance to set up.
Actually, Vanilluce is quite good. Pody Purge- excuse me, Automotize, is actually a great set up move. A set of Body Purge/Blizzard/HP Fighting/Explosion(or your choice of other filler) with Ice Body and Lefties devastates everything if given the chance to set up.
Beartic can do something nothing else can do on a hail team: he can subpunch and force switches and stall for hail damage via Protect, forcing switches with Yawn, or running Shadow Claw/Night Slash in the 3rd slot to hit ghosts safely from behind a sub. He can also run Taunt/Encore to mess with things and let you get the advantageous switch vs. other pokemon. Snow Cloak helps to abuse the whole subpunch strategy, as basically NOTHING is gonna enjoy taking 2 icicle crashes OR 2 focus punches, and a 20-28% chance to miss is a big deal.
Yeah, I'm planning to use him when I get my Hail Team together (just picked up White today, actually). Jellicent's typing is amazing, and he really makes for an excellent stall-ish spinblocker.
Hmm, that's an interesting set. Of course, I'd have to see how it works in real combat and not 'Theorymon', but I know from experience that Snow Cloak can be a big help. At least it's good to know that he does have some kind of purpose, no matter how small it might be. It's always fun to try to squeeze your favorites in on your team, even if they aren't always up to snuff with the others. I'm shocked that they didn't even give him Earthquake, though...
As for Vanilluxe, it looks like he can be a pretty good sweeper with the right setup. Certainly an interesting design as well.
I think vaniluxe would be better suited for a rain or sun team,driftblim would be better for hail thanks to the fighting immunity and it also has weather ball fir pseudo boltbeam.
Mono Hail ICE
Froslass @ Focus Sash
Spikes
Destiny Bond
Disable
Taunt
Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sub
Leech Seed
Blizzard
Wood Hammer
Piloswine @ Eviolite
thick fat
Stealth Rock
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Kyurem: @ Choice Scarf
Blizzard
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Outrage
Cloyster: @ White Herb
Waterfall
Shell Smash
Rock Blast
Icicle Spear
Regice: @ Leftovers
Blizzard
Charge Beam
Protect
Thunderwave
Froslass @ Focus Sash
Spikes
Destiny Bond
Disable
Taunt
Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sub
Leech Seed
Blizzard
Wood Hammer
Piloswine @ Eviolite
thick fat
Stealth Rock
Ice Shard
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Kyurem: @ Choice Scarf
Blizzard
Draco Meteor
Dragon Pulse
Outrage
Cloyster: @ White Herb
Waterfall
Shell Smash
Rock Blast
Icicle Spear
Regice: @ Leftovers
Blizzard
Charge Beam
Protect
Thunderwave