hades666, I have attempted to refrain myself from commenting further on this thread, as it is merely just rehashing the same argument over and over towards the anti-ban side; you, however, have awoken me from what should've been an eternal slumber, and I grace myself upon the forums yet again to say what I have been saying, but with more questions to ask.
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That doesn't matter. This is the time it was brought up. Broken is broken. Broken should not check broken, broken should be banned regardless. You just admitted Mega Metagross is broken, but you refuse to side with the pro-ban members just because of Greninja. I have used any variant of Greninja possible, from basic Protean to Spikes Suicide, even dabbing some in Battle Bond and even Z-Happy Hour (fun set...if you don't mind the lack of coverage, that is). Greninja only got better when Megagross left for the suspect. Megagross was Mega GROSS (sorry, I have a habit of bad puns) for the meta, as it would just mold to it to compromise for its previous losses. Gen VI was a prime example of this--hell, the vote was so narrow last gen.
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Yes it does, if the counterplay is niche and doesn't have much use outside of said niche. To make sure you understand, answer these specific questions.
1. Do any of your counters have any roles, outside of specifically checking Mega Metagross, that they are not completely outclassed in? If so, how would they more fit the meta in that they would actually be staples in?
1a. If the answer is no, why are you bringing it up? If Megagross is not part of the opposing team, did you just waste a team slot? Yes. Yes you did.
2. Define the word counter. Hell, I'll do it for you. A counter is a Pokemon that can safely switch into any move, in just about any conceivable situation commonly seen in the meta, without any worry, and can either kill it, stall it out, or force it out without issue. Slowbro and Mew aren't counters. They are checks--shaky ones, too. Meteor Mash 2HKO's Mew after Stealth Rock (and has a 90% chance to do so without), Thunder Punch 2HKO's Slowbro when either Electric Terrain is up (not uncommon on certain teams, mind you) or when Stealth Rock and a single layer of spikes is up, has a 98.8% chance of doing so.
Anyways, I'm getting off topic here.
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No, no, no, no, and NO! When Pokemon are less effective, they are less viable. Name the Mega Metagross counterplay instead of just saying it exists. Mega Metagross's molding with the meta was a two way street; the meta evolved in its favor so well (which is a huge issue in its own right) while it evolved around the meta if it even SEEMED like it was going the other way. This generation was far too kind to Metagross, not even in the "Gen 5 made Mamoswine better" kind of way, the kind that gave the Anything Goes fiend that shall not be named that ridiculous mega kind of way, and when things started to look down, people started to use other options to get rid of its normal checks. I mean, there are people that run Hidden Power Fire just to remove Ferrothorn and Scizor! Explain that.
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Make reqs. I can't because I have to work six days a week and I have adult shit I have to take care of, but I have the little time to see and feel many of the effects that happen. Once you go higher in the ranks and realize that they are niche mons, maybe you'll feel a bit stupid and realize that you made a mistake here. They ARE niche mons because their roles in previous gens are done much better by other Pokemon and/or their original roles are no longer as impressive. Toxapex laughs at Slowbro as a Regenerator Water-Type, Hippowdon is just less effective because mono-Ground is an awful defensive typing (praise be Landorus-Therian), and Mew? I always thought that Psychic was worse than Grass or Ground Defensively because U-Turn, Knock Off, and Pursuit, but it would make Shadow Ball even more spammable than it already is.
Explain in full detail why your arguments are valid rather than repeating yourself. Hell, I had to go out of my way to explain why Mega Metagross is more broken than Greninja and why it warranted a Suspect Test at this time. If you cannot explain any of this, your argument is invalid and you should consider thinking about your arguments rather than making the Anti-Ban side look even more pathetic than it currently is. We're not ban happy--we let Dugtrio stay, if that says anything. Not all of us ar part of some sort of tieriest community--I've used Klinklang and Rampardos to some success in OU (disclaimer: Please don't use Klinklang or Rampardos in OU, you're not bludz and you're not running Pikachu) because I enjoy those Pokemon. We all do want one thing, however: a balanced meta, something we are still trying atone for since Gen 5 and permanent rain. If you cannot clearly see how Mega Metagross is overcentralizing (how you claim it requires niche mons to check, which is an argument that supports that it IS CENTRALIZING THE META) and broken (adapting to the meta/the meta adapting to it), which you've clearly mentioned, you should honestly look at it again and realize what we're saying and have been saying.
Hopefully this is the last time I have to post on this thread. Vote Ban, be done, let's move on to Greninja. Paul out.