Oh that's right, I didn't realise showdown calc has 0 IV by default so forgot to set it back up.The Araquanid speed tier above is incorrect - Araquanid is ranked for its viability as a Sticky Web setter, so these are the correct Speed tiers (-Spe on HP Fire Sets)
120 / Araquanid / 42 / Neutral / 0 / 0
108 / Araquanid / 42 / -Spe / 0 / 0
530 / Tyranitar (Mega) / 71 / +Spe / 252 / +2
If your going to list plus one Tyranitar( Mega), then you probably should list +2 as well, since every other mon with dragon dance has a +1 and +2 spread
538 / Qwilfish / 85 / Neutral / 252 / +2
269 / Qwilfish / 85 / Neutral / 252 / 0
120 / Araquanid / 42 / Neutral / 0 / 0
Some newly ranked stuff that is not listed yet
Edit: Amended a mistake on Araquanid's speed tier because I forgot to set the IV back to 31 from the default on showdown calc.
Also, compiling from the reply on the next page, this is for Brave HP Fire sets.
108 / Araquanid / 42 / -Spe / 0 / 0
The Araquanid speed tier above is incorrect - Araquanid is ranked for its viability as a Sticky Web setter, so these are the correct Speed tiers (-Spe on HP Fire Sets)
120 / Araquanid / 42 / Neutral / 0 / 0
108 / Araquanid / 42 / -Spe / 0 / 0
Done, thanksOh that's right, I didn't realise showdown calc has 0 IV by default so forgot to set it back up.
Mega Zam gets +2 by copying swift swim in rain, hows kartana get +2? tailwind ?696 / Kartana/ 109 / +Spe / 252/ +2
Since we have something as situational as Mega Zam at +2, might as well add Kartana after it manages to get two kills with the Swords Dance set.
Hm, well I thought I saw some sets with Kartana getting +1 speed when grabbing a kill on the Sword's Dance set, but maybe that isn't a set, and I was just hallucinating. Well if that's the case, then I rescind that postMega Zam gets +2 by copying swift swim in rain, hows kartana get +2? tailwind ?
Mega Zam gets +2 by copying swift swim in rain, hows kartana get +2? tailwind ?
Kartana gets there with either Z-Tailwind or by running a timid set with 19 IVs in attack and an EV spread of 252hp/ 4def/ 252 speed, which causes Beast Boost to boost speed, then claiming 2 KOs. It might not be a common enough set to add to the speed tiers though.Hm, well I thought I saw some sets with Kartana getting +1 speed when grabbing a kill on the Sword's Dance set, but maybe that isn't a set, and I was just hallucinating. Well if that's the case, then I rescind that post
The EV's and Speed are the wrong way round here, 200 EV's reach 208 Speed. 208 EV's reach 210 Speed.200 / Tyranitar / 61 / Neutral / 208 / 0
Where are you getting that AV spread from?176 Speed Tyranitar should be added - it hits 202.
Also the new (better) AV spread should be added, 68 Speed investment and it hits 203 Speed.
afaik sedertz and someone else made it but its better than the standard one as the speed is unnecessary and it lives 2 specs lele psyshocks with the spare evs you get from dropping the speed.Updated, thanks for the input everyone.
Where are you getting that AV spread from?
620 / Hawlucha / 118 / Neutral / 152 / +2
Remove these, they're never used.592 / Hawlucha / 118 / Neutral / 96 / +2
598 / Charizard (Mega-X), Salamence, Volcarona / 100 / Neutral / +2
656 / Charizard (Mega-X), Salamence, Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 252 / +2
492 / Charizard (Mega-X), Jirachi, Manaphy, Salamence, Victini, Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 252 / +1
448 / Charizard (Mega-X), Manaphy, Salamence, Volcarona / 100 / Neutral / 252 / +1
328 / Charizard (Mega-X), Charizard (Mega-Y), Gardevoir (Mega), Medicham (Mega), Manaphy, Salamence, Victini, Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 252 / 0
299 / Charizard (Mega-X), Charizard (Mega-Y), Gardevoir (Mega), Medicham (Mega), Manaphy, Salamence, Victini, Volcarona / 100 / Neutral / 252 / 0
scarf serp is bad and webs is a dying / dead archetype so idk about this benchmark535 / Serperior / 113 / +Spe / 252 / +1
For Scarf Serperior/Contrary Sticky Webs
Well from what I gather 184 Charizard is to out speed max speed Jolly Landorus-Therian, and I would imagine the same for Volcarona to invest in HP (though I wouldn't do that personally).399 / Alakazam (Mega) / 150 / Neutral / 252 / 0
seeing as this has picked up more traction recently (as showcased by blunder vs soulwind and john vs leru in addition to countless other replays that i'm too lazy to search up) I believe that this may be a useful addition to the speed tiers.
386 / Talonflame / 126 / +Spe / 252 / 0
351 / Talonflame / 126 / Neutral / 252 / 0
seeing as this has been unranked, these tiers aren't really useful anymore.
465 / Charizard (Mega-X), Volcarona / 100 / +Spe / 184 / +1
is there any relevant zard x or volc that runs 184 speed? please tell me if i'm missing something here, but I think this should be removed for the meantime.
I think it should be removed also, unless there's a specific bulky Zard X spread out there that I'm not aware of. Losing the speed matchup against non-Scarf Tapu Lele and Kyurem-B is really unfortunate with that spread.is there any relevant zard x or volc that runs 184 speed? please tell me if i'm missing something here, but I think this should be removed for the meantime.
May want to add this too, since Quiver Dance is viable on it:381 / Ribombee / 124 / +Spe / 252 / 0
The best webs setter rn imo, i think it should be added