Noms I Agree/Disagree with
Skarm-->B- or higher: Agreed
Skarmory really shouldn't be ranked on C+, fattier builds have been on the rise, and Skarm is an absolute staple on Stall and Semi-Stall. Also hazard stacking is pretty good rn and Skarm can get spikes up vs. a lot of things. Besides that, Skarmory has crazy good defense and can check this tier's most fearsome physical breakers, such as Z-Kartana, Banded Bulu, and Garchomp.
Sun-->C: Agreed
If TR is ranked, then I don't see any reasons for sun not to be on the rankings, I've played with this archetype only a few times, against some very unexperienced players, so I don't have much to say, but the arguments used on the last few posts of this thread seemed pretty legit, and the games i've seen of people using Sun prove to me that it is somewhat viable in OU.
Sableye-M-->A-: Agreed
Sab is such a good mon on defensive builds, preventing hazards and being extremely hard to kill, Mega-Sableye has proven to be the best mega in Stall, which has been on the rise since the start of OLT.
Sableye's recent rise to OU shows how good it is right now, with the popularity of Mega-Latias and hazard-stacking, definetely A- material.
Kommo-o-->Higher: Agreed
Kommo-o offers a nice Ash-Greninja and Heatran check for offensive teams, while also not letting go of the offensive pressure, with both of its offensive sets: Z-Clang and Belly Drum, one abuses the most broken Z-Move in USUM OU, which gives Kommo-o great sweeping/breaking potential, and the other makes Kommo-o reach stupid high attacking stats with Belly Drum.
There's also the SPDef set, which is used on more balanced builds, and can provide rocks(Z can too), aswell as an Ash-Greninja, Zard-Y, Heatran, and Blacephalon check.
Being able to defensively check all these different mons while also fitting in offense is incredible, considering how many offensive teams have to sack mons to these powerful offensive threats. All that and it can also set rocks. I'd say B+ is a good ranking for Kommo-o.
Ash-Greninja-->A+: Agreed
I don't have much to say here, it's just that teams nowadays are over-preparing for Ash-Gren, how can you expect AGren to break those defensive teams when Toxapex and Ferrothorn are being spammed everywhere? Or how can it shred offense like it used to when there are so many Seismitoads and Kommo-os running around? The metagame simply isn't in a good spot for Ash-Greninja rn.
Hawlucha-->B+: Disagree
Lucha is a pretty solid late-game cleaner, but I really don't see why would it rise, Mega- Latias and Clef are both very popular at this moment, and Hawlucha simply isn't as good as the other B+ mons, it is very frail, has mediocre attack stats, and is dead weight during the entire game but the end of it, unless your opponent's Lucha check is healthy during the endgame, that is, then your Lucha will just be deadweight until the end of the match.
Skarm-->B- or higher: Agreed
Skarmory really shouldn't be ranked on C+, fattier builds have been on the rise, and Skarm is an absolute staple on Stall and Semi-Stall. Also hazard stacking is pretty good rn and Skarm can get spikes up vs. a lot of things. Besides that, Skarmory has crazy good defense and can check this tier's most fearsome physical breakers, such as Z-Kartana, Banded Bulu, and Garchomp.
Sun-->C: Agreed
If TR is ranked, then I don't see any reasons for sun not to be on the rankings, I've played with this archetype only a few times, against some very unexperienced players, so I don't have much to say, but the arguments used on the last few posts of this thread seemed pretty legit, and the games i've seen of people using Sun prove to me that it is somewhat viable in OU.
Sableye-M-->A-: Agreed
Sab is such a good mon on defensive builds, preventing hazards and being extremely hard to kill, Mega-Sableye has proven to be the best mega in Stall, which has been on the rise since the start of OLT.
Sableye's recent rise to OU shows how good it is right now, with the popularity of Mega-Latias and hazard-stacking, definetely A- material.
Kommo-o-->Higher: Agreed
Kommo-o offers a nice Ash-Greninja and Heatran check for offensive teams, while also not letting go of the offensive pressure, with both of its offensive sets: Z-Clang and Belly Drum, one abuses the most broken Z-Move in USUM OU, which gives Kommo-o great sweeping/breaking potential, and the other makes Kommo-o reach stupid high attacking stats with Belly Drum.
There's also the SPDef set, which is used on more balanced builds, and can provide rocks(Z can too), aswell as an Ash-Greninja, Zard-Y, Heatran, and Blacephalon check.
Being able to defensively check all these different mons while also fitting in offense is incredible, considering how many offensive teams have to sack mons to these powerful offensive threats. All that and it can also set rocks. I'd say B+ is a good ranking for Kommo-o.
Ash-Greninja-->A+: Agreed
I don't have much to say here, it's just that teams nowadays are over-preparing for Ash-Gren, how can you expect AGren to break those defensive teams when Toxapex and Ferrothorn are being spammed everywhere? Or how can it shred offense like it used to when there are so many Seismitoads and Kommo-os running around? The metagame simply isn't in a good spot for Ash-Greninja rn.
Hawlucha-->B+: Disagree
Lucha is a pretty solid late-game cleaner, but I really don't see why would it rise, Mega- Latias and Clef are both very popular at this moment, and Hawlucha simply isn't as good as the other B+ mons, it is very frail, has mediocre attack stats, and is dead weight during the entire game but the end of it, unless your opponent's Lucha check is healthy during the endgame, that is, then your Lucha will just be deadweight until the end of the match.
I did have more elaborated comments on these noms right here, but I ended up losing my text about them, and i'm not going to rewrite those, so please don't mind the low quality of the noms here.
Seismitoad-->Higher: Agreed
Toad offers crazy role compression to offense, being a water and eletric immunity and setting rocks, Toad has also seen good tournament usage in both OLT and SSD.
Zard Y--> B-: Slightly Disagree
Latias and Toxapex are very popular rn, and that's extremely bad for Zard, I would support this nom a few months ago, but not now. I do think Charizard-Y is stronger than C+ tho, so it kinda is on this limbo between C+ and B- for me.
Mantine-->UR: Disagree
Like Seismitoad, Mantine has great role compression, as a water immunity, ground immunity, and Defogger, Tine also has crazy high Spdef, and is one of the best Volcarona checks out there. It faces a lot of competition from Fini tho, so it should remain at C-.
Seismitoad-->Higher: Agreed
Toad offers crazy role compression to offense, being a water and eletric immunity and setting rocks, Toad has also seen good tournament usage in both OLT and SSD.
Zard Y--> B-: Slightly Disagree
Latias and Toxapex are very popular rn, and that's extremely bad for Zard, I would support this nom a few months ago, but not now. I do think Charizard-Y is stronger than C+ tho, so it kinda is on this limbo between C+ and B- for me.
Mantine-->UR: Disagree
Like Seismitoad, Mantine has great role compression, as a water immunity, ground immunity, and Defogger, Tine also has crazy high Spdef, and is one of the best Volcarona checks out there. It faces a lot of competition from Fini tho, so it should remain at C-.