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Alphabet Cup
- Thread starter Martingale
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Probably because they both learn those moves normally
I definitely don't think Thundurus should ever get banned. It (well, I guess along w/ Thundurus), is the only way to reliably stop all of the set up moves used. BoltBeam coverage is great too, but still thinks its supportive qualities are necessary. The only two pokemon I think may be broken are salamence and Sableye. But we'll have to see.
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While it may be broken I'm pretty sure that we can all agree that thundurus i is centralizing as hell.
What if..
Probopass set a Perish Song trap? He can learn block. An he could (possibly) regain a little HP with Parabolic Charge. Protect might work as well.
Or he could use Magnet Pull on Steel Types to save a turn.
Magnet Rise is also an option while you are waiting for Perish Song to take full effect.
Probopass set a Perish Song trap? He can learn block. An he could (possibly) regain a little HP with Parabolic Charge. Protect might work as well.
Or he could use Magnet Pull on Steel Types to save a turn.
Magnet Rise is also an option while you are waiting for Perish Song to take full effect.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
Only because set-up sweeprs are the norm...
If Thundurus and Tornadus were banned it'd literally be about who gets boosts off faster. If we don't have either Alphabet Cup is basically like playing a game of chess where all the pieces are queens.
here's a hawlucha set I've been using to mild success...
Hawlucha @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Spd / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Timid Nature
- Heart Swap
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Encore
The idea is your opponent is dumb and keeps setting up when encored, then you can heart swap and baton pass the boosts to a team mate. it's honestly quite gimmicky, but fun when it works. mold breaker is so you can encore through magic bounce.
Hawlucha @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Spd / 248 HP / 8 SDef
Timid Nature
- Heart Swap
- Baton Pass
- Substitute
- Encore
The idea is your opponent is dumb and keeps setting up when encored, then you can heart swap and baton pass the boosts to a team mate. it's honestly quite gimmicky, but fun when it works. mold breaker is so you can encore through magic bounce.
Thundy is a weird case of Pokemon that overcentalizes the meta, yet is probably healthy for it because it keeps sweepers in check. Without Thundurus, Stat boosts would be rampant and nigh unstoppable. It's a bit like Avalugg in Inverse.
In any case, not running Thundurus is a foolish thing to do.
In any case, not running Thundurus is a foolish thing to do.
Thundurus is a little evil that is needed unfortunantly even if it over centralizing, been said a thousand time what happens without it. Even though there are some unaware mons only clefairy seems to get anything out of this meta with circle throw.
Quagsire even though it is good with its niche, it will hate belly drum breloom and the many special attackers with geomancy and smash as it has lacking special bulk.
So I've been running some experimental sets:
-Shell smash Salamence is pretty damn powerful specially since it gets Sacred Fire and Sword with it too. If thundurus topsies you, you will most likely leave it with a crippling burn with fire and it will be easy to come again after its out of the way.
-Hitmonlee gets HoneClaws, granted, this doesnt seem anything special at first, but with tactical unburden activation this guy does become a nice cleaner when HJK doesnt risk a miss anymore and neither does stone edge.
-Bisharp gets many intresting moves like BoltStrike, Bonemerang, Bulk up.. But specially, Bolt Strike is a very good coverage move for Bisharp from what I've been toying with it.
-Charizard gets Close Combat, very damn deadly with the X form. I've found this to be more reliable against heatrans and the like than earthquake. the def drops do suck when foe has prio though.
-Registeel gets Roost. Well, this is self explonary. Rapid spin can be tossed in for good measure too. Unfortunantly I'm not too good with stallish team play so I havent been able to milk much out of this, I think it could be pretty nice though for some defensive teams.
Quagsire even though it is good with its niche, it will hate belly drum breloom and the many special attackers with geomancy and smash as it has lacking special bulk.
So I've been running some experimental sets:
-Shell smash Salamence is pretty damn powerful specially since it gets Sacred Fire and Sword with it too. If thundurus topsies you, you will most likely leave it with a crippling burn with fire and it will be easy to come again after its out of the way.
-Hitmonlee gets HoneClaws, granted, this doesnt seem anything special at first, but with tactical unburden activation this guy does become a nice cleaner when HJK doesnt risk a miss anymore and neither does stone edge.
-Bisharp gets many intresting moves like BoltStrike, Bonemerang, Bulk up.. But specially, Bolt Strike is a very good coverage move for Bisharp from what I've been toying with it.
-Charizard gets Close Combat, very damn deadly with the X form. I've found this to be more reliable against heatrans and the like than earthquake. the def drops do suck when foe has prio though.
-Registeel gets Roost. Well, this is self explonary. Rapid spin can be tossed in for good measure too. Unfortunantly I'm not too good with stallish team play so I havent been able to milk much out of this, I think it could be pretty nice though for some defensive teams.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
I'm running Tornadus over Thundurus and I'm not really regretting that decision...
What exactly does Tornadus do better?
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
They're about the same, so I run either or depending on my needs. Both get T-wave and Topsy-Turvy, so meh.
Doublade is cool in this meta I've been running resttalk with defend order and dynamicpawnch.
Thundurus just seems to outclass Tornadus to me, since it gets Volt Switch, STAB Thunderbolt, and a better defensive typing. Obviously, if we ban Thundurus (which we probably shouldn't), it goes without saying that we'll ban Tornadus too.
Tornadus does get a flying stab though...
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As an octillery lover I can say that it's not very good overheat is bad when you have fire blast oblivion wig is nice but it's already so frail outrage is a pretty bad move for non dragons.
I didn't know that Octillery had Fire Blast :P
I have had a really hard time with geomancy greninja, my best check to it is my av slowbro with seed flare secret sword scald and psyshock
Don't worry, we all know about Geomancy Greninja.
I derped at the beginning because this was my first battle of the tier. But I guess you could say the opponent was.. Ninjad!
If it's not already been mentioned here.. Geomancy Greninja. Let that sink in.
This battle shows why it's important to always have Thundurus.
Also, why don't you have Bullet Punch on Bisharp? It's the only reason to use it in the first place!