That's what I meant.You still get killed by Sheer Cold though...
So essentially, to -temporarily- cripple one Machoke/Champ you have to kill one of your pokes.
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That's what I meant.You still get killed by Sheer Cold though...
Even in a metagame where half of the Pokemon run Lum Berry, spamming Spore indiscriminately is certainly going to be less profitable with Toxic Spikes up. Anything without a lum berry, including those that have already used it up, can switch into Spore for free. Instead, if you could get Gengar in on something without a lum berry, you could use spore totally indiscriminately, as nothing bar an Ursaring that has already activated its orb can actually come in. Additionally, the poisoning effect of Toxic Spikes is likely to be less relevant in such a fast-paced metagame, with the notable exception of racking up additional damage with ursaring. In many ways it actually makes Machoke harder to deal with. It would be interesting to see if anyone could come up with a set that abuses Toxic Spikes to their full effect, because at the moment all of the sets I see are very offensive.Pearl. said:How good are Toxic Spikes in this metagame? With just one layer you'd be able to shut down most Lum Berry users such as Groudon, allowing stuff like Gengar to abuse Spore to its fullest potential. It'd also give some help against grounded Pokemon without a Lum Berry (whose name isn't Ursaring, obviously), like Machoke, Machamp among others.
It might, but I imagine that you could achieve similar results more reliably with a much, much simpler set.Box said:Once DW abilities are released for gen 5 pokes, would the lulzy CurseSplit set work?
and by "filler move" you mean Extremespeed for Ursaring, right?I don't know if anyone has suggested this yet, but couldn't a bulky Pokemon with Imprison, Sheer Cold, Spore and a filler be pretty antimeta?
That would work, or maybe Shell Smash if you didn't have a problem with Ursaring.and by "filler move" you mean Extremespeed for Ursaring, right?
A Scarf could work just as well.or rather..
a super fast poke with those moves.
Spore, it could clear hazards for Sheddy, whatever it wants to do. Give it a purpose that fits with your team, it can do nearly ANYTHINGsure it stops machamp.
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