This is the singles forum so.I don't know. For some reason, I was assuming that someone would be crazy enough to use them in a Double or Triple Battle. But that'd be like suicide, right?
This is the singles forum so.I don't know. For some reason, I was assuming that someone would be crazy enough to use them in a Double or Triple Battle. But that'd be like suicide, right?
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 156-183 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth RockI can't see this thing being very effective. just sticking pokemon like keldeo or azumarill in front of it deadwall it, not to mention the bulky waters that inhabit OU wall it with ease. The only use i see for it in OU is SD to wear down walls for other sweepers. Please stop trying to make special feraligatr a thing, thats terrible. Everyteam will carry a stop to this, offense, balance, stall, they all have common pokemon, and probably more than one of them on teams that just deadwall it.
those calcs give me hope and joy and hype for the existence of gataaaarrrrr+1 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 156-183 (48.2 - 56.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 172-203 (42.8 - 50.6%) -- 95.7% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
So much for deadwalling.
I feel like the biggest threats are Rotom, Ferrothorn, and Mega Venusaur, so Lati@s would be a good partner. Latias more so in my opinion due to Healing Wish.
More speed and no LO recoil sounds pretty attractive. Being able to outspeed positive nature 115s at +1 sounds fantastic as long as it gets a chance to set up.It is slightly bulkier and faster than Crawdaunt, but otherwise it is completely outclassed. No secondary STAB, a weaker Water STAB and both have access to priority.
It has a stonger Fighting coverage move, but Feraligatr has a 49% chance of hitting Focus Blast twice.
I dunno, I think GatrDos sounds better.I do want to point out that even though Gatr is almost as fast as Gyara, he does miss out on a good DDance speed tier that Gyara has, as Gyara outspeeds base 145 megas while Gatr can't.
Also, that Dual Water Dance (copyrighted all rights reserved) core should be called GyaraGatr
just listen to catchiness of that
Actually Rotom-W isn't even that much of a problem for SD Feraligatr.Talonflame pairs well in handling much of Gatrs problems EXCEPT ROTOM
Talon + Gatr + Mega sceptile = pretty sick FWG coreTalonflame pairs well in handling much of Gatrs problems EXCEPT ROTOM
sarcasm is noted sir. No need to imply any furtherIt is slightly bulkier and faster than Crawdaunt, but otherwise it is completely outclassed. No secondary STAB, a weaker Water STAB and both have access to priority.
It has a stonger Fighting coverage move, but Feraligatr has a 49% chance of hitting Focus Blast twice.
Wouldn't Magnezone be better for this? It traps Skarm and Ferro, does okay to Rotom-W (I think) and has volt switch as well. You don't need to use up a mega for that, right?Mega Manectric + Gatr also sounds cool, mega man dealing with Skarm, Ferro, and weakening Rotom-W, while also getting momentum and weakening stuff with volt switch. Then you can bring in SD gatr to sweep, once you get an SD up.
How is it completely outclassed when you said that it is bulkier and faster? That's the point, since Crawdaunt is too slow and frail to run a DD set and is better off wallbreaking. Even then, Feraligatr has an easier time getting off a SD because of the bulk. The damage difference also becomes very minimal once Feraligatr gets to +1.It is slightly bulkier and faster than Crawdaunt, but otherwise it is completely outclassed. No secondary STAB, a weaker Water STAB and both have access to priority.
It has a stonger Fighting coverage move, but Feraligatr has a 49% chance of hitting Focus Blast twice.
I agree with GatrDos, but how about Gatorade? It's sorta missing out on including Gyarados but it's more catchy at least.I dunno, I think GatrDos sounds better.
The damage difference between Feebas and Crawdaunt also becomes minimal, when Feebas gets to +6.How is it completely outclassed when you said that it is bulkier and faster? That's the point, since Crawdaunt is too slow and frail to run a DD set and is better off wallbreaking. Even then, Feraligatr has an easier time getting off a SD because of the bulk. The damage difference also becomes very minimal once Feraligatr gets to +1.
+1 252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Feraligatr Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard X: 261-308 (87.8 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Adaptability Crawdaunt Crabhammer vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard X: 268-317 (90.2 - 106.7%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
Because Superpower on Feraligatr is unable to 2HKO Ferrothorn, its main targst.sarcasm is noted sir. No need to imply any further
Sir, both can use superpower for coverage. why would u use Focus miss in the first place.
ya but gatr nich over daunt is it can ddance easier and more effectively. since it wont get out sped by unboosted things like craw would after one dd....also more bulk, less weaknesses..no recoil.... are other +'s to gatr.The damage difference between Feebas and Crawdaunt also becomes minimal, when Feebas gets to +6.
+6 252+ Atk Life Orb Feebas Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Charizard X: 243-289 (81.8 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Crawdaunt can use Swords Dance and Dragon Dance, just like Feraligatr. All your calcs have shown is that Crawdaunt is 50% stronger than Feraligatr.
Because Superpower on Feraligatr is unable to 2HKO Ferrothorn, its main targst.
I'll agree that Feraligatr is a better sweeper, but is Feraligatr's sweeping set outclassed in OU? It competes not only with other double dance or Dragon Dance users, but the various Shell Smashing Water types chilling in NU. It's why I focused on its wallbreaking power.Crawdaunt's dragon dance set is rather horrible imo. It has really bad speed, and still fails to outspeed lots of stuff even at +1. It's best and only viable set is the SD wallbreaker set, as SD + Adaptability allows it to hit really hard. As a wallbreaker, it doesn't really need to outspeed that much stuff, so dragon dance isn't as important. Crawdaunt shouldn't be trying to sweep; it's too slow to do so. It's supposed to break down walls, and it does a good job at that. However, it is very frail and has a rather meh defensive typing, so it's hard for it to get up more than 1 swords dance. This isn't really the case for feraligatr. It's good bulk allows it to easily take neutral hits, and even some super effective hits.
0 Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Feraligatr: 246-290 (78.8 - 92.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Magnezone Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Feraligatr: 270-318 (86.5 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
This allows it to get up more ddances / swords dances, meaning that it's overall damage output is in fact, not too shabby. Gatr can run many viable sets, a double dance set, which allows it to beat HO with agility, and stall with SD; a simple SD set turns it into a very scary wallbreaker, and a dragon dance set turns it into a powerful alligator that is capable of sweeping teams with ease. Crawdaunt is a wallbreaker, of course it's stronger than feraligatr. However, gatr can beat both stall and HO, gatr has better bulk, and therefore, is not outclassed by crawdaunt.
This has been gone over many, many times. The advantages of Feraligatr over the closest comparison, Gyarados, is the far better initial power and much different coverage pool. This alone makes it worthy of a choice.I'll agree that Feraligatr is a better sweeper, but is Feraligatr's sweeping set outclassed in OU? It competes not only with other double dance or Dragon Dance users, but the various Shell Smashing Water types chilling in NU. It's why I focused on its wallbreaking power.
Question what set would be your preference for the particular core? I used a similar core of m-gyarados, serperior and talon to much success, so GatrDD should work in a similar manor.Talon + Gatr + Mega sceptile = pretty sick FWG core
i would say SD set in this case as you need wallbreaking power since the other two are pretty good at raping offenseQuestion what set would be your preference for the particular core? I used a similar core of m-gyarados, serperior and talon to much success, so GatrDD should work in a similar manor.