Move: Snarl
Type: Rock
Power: 60
Acc: 100%
PP: 15 (24)
Effect: 100% chance to lower the target's Special by 1.
Distribution:
Justification: gives a stab to aero cause rock slide doesnt exist for aero fsr
For the next 24 hours, we'll have our usual discussion phase. However, this discussion phase is a bit more important than the last one because I've decided that it makes the most sense to announce the final distributions of each move after the Discussion Phase. Plus, I was going to ask for help on this anyway, so for this discussion phase, please discuss what the final distributions for the winning moves should be!Move: Strange Steam
Type:
Power: 50
Accuracy: 100
PP: 15
Effect: Clears the target's stat changes after dealing damage
Distribution:
Justification: I was initially gonna do status moves for all 3, but Moonlight is boring, a good Crafty Shield was already subbed, and Aromatic Mist is just mini-Amnesia, so instead here's Clear Smog. Like Embargo, it's another tool against stuff like Amnesia Lax and Slowbro and the likely inevitable future viable Swords Dancers we'll get
Aero can beat these sleepers if they miss their sleep moves or try to attack. If Aero does get slept, you can at least switch in easier against something with -1 Special, also your stronger teammates are protected from Sleep.Snarl vs.
239-282 (71.7 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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175-206 (44.5 - 52.4%) -- 18.9% chance to 2HKO (10.3% chance to OHKO on a Crit)
108-127 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (>70% chance to 3HKO if you use Snarl turn 1, not sure how to get a more exact calc)
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This Murkrow is almost fine, but even with its poor stats and BoltBeam weakness, with the lack of ways to hit this physically (being limited to just Rock Slide and Snarl since it resists every other physical type that isn't Flying or Ghost and we don't have a good Ghost move yet), people have pointed out that pairing this with something like Chansey to take BoltBeams allows this to be super annoying to actually take down. Plus, it has very annoying utility in TWave and Hypnosis too boot. This could potentially be fine later once more ways to deal with Ghost/Flying are added, but for now it would probably be best to change out the Ghost-typing, though you can ask about what exactly to do on Discord
This sub is a bit over the edge because it punishes Normals for existing just a bit too hard between the Body Slam para immunity, Normal resistance, and Sharpen/TWave, which allows it to basically act like a TWave Tauros that also beats/sets up on Tauros. I'd recommend removing Sharpen and its Normal-typing as well
Pokémon: Obstagoon
Category: Dark
New Type:
Stats: 78/90/111/51/95 [365 BST]
New Moves: Rock Slide, Earthquake, Rage, Bide, Sharpen, Submission
Removed Moves: Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Surf
Competitive Overview: Designed to punish opposing Hyper Beams by switching into them and boosting with Sharpen, paralyzing with T-Wave, or by finishing them off with its own Hyper Beam on the recharge turn. Has lower bulk and Atk than other rocks, but makes up for that with decent speed and Normal type, thus Body Slam para immunity and STAB Hyper Beam, which is more powerful even unboosted than Rhydon's STAB Earthquake.
In today's damage calcs, the role of Obstagoon will be played by Raticate.
Vs
Snorlax Hyper Beam vs. Raticate: 79-94 (22 - 26.1%) -- 6.9% chance to 4HKO
+1 Raticate Double-Edge vs. Snorlax: 197-232 (37.6 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Snorlax Earthquake vs. Raticate: 142-168 (39.5 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Snorlax: 294-346 (56.2 - 66.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-Switching into a Snorlax's Hyper Beam and Sharpening on the recharge turn is what Obstagoon is built for, but he needs at least 44% damage on it to avoid taking a big hit from EQ, and it can't 2HKO lax from full without crits or exactly highrolls on exactly Double-Edge and Hyper Beam.
Vs
Tauros Hyper Beam vs. Raticate: 74-88 (20.6 - 24.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
Tauros Earthquake vs. Raticate: 134-158 (37.3 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 Raticate Rock Slide vs. Tauros: 118-139 (33.4 - 39.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Tauros: 234-276 (66.2 - 78.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-Tauros is much less bulky than lax, so it can be KO'd at earlier percentages, and +1 Rock Slide into Hyper Beam is >99% chance to 2HKO from full, But it is very risky to switch in and boost against a non statused bull, as crit EQ can KO after Hyper Beam. Where Obstagoon might shine against a healthy Tauros, is subverting the Tauros mirror.
Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Tauros: 155-183 (43.9 - 51.8%) -- 11.1% chance to 2HKO
-Two Tauros Body Slams on another Tauros deals on average ~58%. Meaning, if 2 full health Taurous Body Slam each other twice, and one clicks Hyper Beam as the other switches out for goon, the one stuck recharging is nearly always going to be in goon's safe KO range. Rhydon, TTar and Escavalier cannot say the same, despite having higher attack stats, because they don't have STAB Hyper Beam.
Vs
+1 Raticate Rock Slide vs. Cloyster: 149-176 (49.1 - 58%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO
Cloyster Blizzard vs. Raticate: 174-205 (48.4 - 57.1%) -- 93.5% chance to 2HKO
Cloyster Surf vs. Raticate: 275-324 (76.6 - 90.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-Surf Cloyster can very likely Revenge Kill a goon that has taken Hyper Beam chip to set up, and Obstagoon can't 2HKO Cloyster without a boost.
Vs
+1 Raticate Earthquake vs. Rhydon: 180-212 (43.5 - 51.3%) -- 6.4% chance to 2HKO
Rhydon Earthquake vs. Raticate: 241-284 (67.1 - 79.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 Raticate Earthquake vs. Tyranitar: 190-224 (47.1 - 55.5%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
Tyranitar Earthquake vs. Raticate: 165-194 (45.9 - 54%) -- 48.6% chance to 2HKO
-Other Rock types can be/are problematic for Obstagoon, since it has way lower bulk than they do, and needs a boost or a crit to threaten a 2HKO. Rhydon is especially good at shutting down goons, even if it got an optimal setup.
Vs
+1 Raticate Body Slam vs. Exeggutor: 142-168 (36.1 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Exeggutor Psychic vs. Raticate: 169-199 (47 - 55.4%) -- 74.8% chance to 2HKO
+1 Raticate Rock Slide vs. Exeggutor: 125-148 (31.8 - 37.6%) -- 92.9% chance to 3HKO
+1 Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Exeggutor: 251-295 (63.8 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Vs
Starmie Surf vs. Raticate: 306-360 (85.2 - 100.2%) -- 2.6% chance to OHKO
Starmie Psychic vs. Raticate: 143-169 (39.8 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Starmie: 251-295 (77.7 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-Surf and Hydro Pump variants can completely shut down Obstagoon, and Crit Psychic will likely KO a chipped goon. Hyper Beam crit will OHKO Starmie, but Starmie has higher chances of winning this matchup just by virtue of speed.
Vs
+1 Raticate Hyper Beam vs. Chansey: 621-730 (88.3 - 103.8%) -- 25.6% chance to OHKO
+1 Raticate Rock Slide vs. Chansey: 311-366 (44.2 - 52%) -- 14.3% chance to 2HKO
Chansey Ice Beam vs. Raticate: 117-138 (30 - 35.4%) -- 26.9% chance to 3HKOBody Slam, Double-Edge, Rest, Substitute, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Bite, Dig, Fury Swipes, Headbutt, Lick, Pin Missile, Sand Attack, Screech, Snarl*, Swift, Take Down, Earthquake, Rage, Bide, SharpenObstagoon
Ability: No Ability
- Rock Slide/Thunder Wave
- Earthquake
- Hyper Beam
- Sharpen/Thunder Wave
This one is a bit similar to the above, albeit not as strong because of the Psychic weakness, but it's still very strong for a Normal-type with Swords Dance, so I'd recommend just removing the Normal-type
Pokémon: Lucario
Category: Steel
New Type: Fighting / Normal
Stats: 70 HP / 110 Atk / 70 Def / 80 Spc / 90 Spe (420 BST)
New Moves: N/A
Removed Moves: Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Later Gens
Competitive Overview: For the longest time it rubbed me the wrong way that Lucario had a Special signature move yet had a higher Attack than Special Attack. However, the return to a physical special split, the elimination of Aura Sphere, and the drop in mon count allows for a unique set. The fighting type is a bit underwhelming in gen 1, but the STAB Hyper Beam and Body Slam paralysis immunity can serve quite useful
In the words of May from the RBY Discord, as she put it better than I could've:
Pokémon: Zacian (but it's actually the lady of the lake)
Category: Fairy
New Type:
Stats: 91/85/102/80/60 | 498
New Moves: Strange Steam, Surf, Lick, Body Slam, Hydro Pump, Thunderbolt
Removed Moves: Swords Dance, Snarl and anything from later gens
Competitive Overview: Physical oriented tank. Switchin for lax and tauros, forces them to run thunderbolt on their coverage(just for them to realize it doesn't do much damage), also capable of threatening out the new rock types.
This one has the same issue as the Murkrow sub where we still don't really have a great way to deal with Ghost/Flying-types yet since Chansey covers their weaknesses so well, so I'd recommend removing the Ghost-typing
Pokémon: Honchkrow
Category: Dark
New Type: Ghost/Flying
Stats: 100/125/52/105/71
New Moves: +Agility , +Razor Wind,
Removed Moves: All modern gen moves
Competitive Overview: Solid check to tauros and snorlax only worrying about blizzard/Ice beam and also able to threaten pokemon like exeggutor 2hkoing it with drill peck and chansey as well if it lacks ice beam as it does a hefty chunk with drill peck and risk being crit. As with most flying types this also struggles with rock types of the tier only hitting them with night shade. It also struggles to take physical hits that are not normal. but fortunately most of the physical moves used in rby are normal which its immune too which means it can absorb hyper beams. Overall this could be a solid lategame pick maybe being slotted over zapdos because of the useful normal type immunity.
