Well... I agree that T-Spikes will be more then usable. But when they'll start to be annoying, people may just run Poison Arceus (at least at the beginning). Well, also Nidoqueen was viable in OU, but yeah, I have your point, as it's true (I can hardly call something Desutodasu game breaking :P).If I remember correctly, we just have had Tentacruel and maybe Roserade for absorbing Toxic Spikes in Gen 4 OU, because other Poison types were... not suited for this kind of tier. I don´t remember any new viable Poison types being introduced in Gen V, so TSpikes could actually be useful. And the poison that has been inflicted stays, after all. Not disagreeing, your points are very valid, but I wouldn´t count these moves out just yet.
While I think that using Evil Eye is decent idea (as Shadow Ball lack in power), I need to say that Venom Shock doesn't convince me. 130 may look good on paper, but it's not enough when you only hit one type for SE damage and it has many resists. Honestly if I would use STAB move with mediocre offensive typing, I think that really effective move need really good power. Something like STAB Facade with status (210 is enough to ignore lack of targets which you may hit for SE damage) or even this STAB Double-Edge (180). Even STAB Return has higher overall power then STAB Venom Shock. If Gengar was pure Poison type - I would go for this. But when you have a choice of obviously better STAB in Ghost, then I would run only Evil Eye if I wanted to abuse Toxic Spikes. Loosing some of important coverage is IMO too important. Just my opinion ;).I think Evil Eye and possibly Venom Shock could definitely have its use on Gengar, because, if the power doubles, you suddenly have a monster with a 130 STAB move, a complementing high power Fighting type move and a secondary STAB, with just as much Base Power. Behind a sub with these stats that´s just scary.
Yeah. I kinda noticed it while typing, but I didn´t want to leave it out completely. You are, however, right. A third coverage move or PainSplit, if you´re running Sub is definitely the better option.While I think that using Evil Eye is decent idea (as Shadow Ball lack in power), I need to say that Venom Shock doesn't convince me. 130 may look good on paper, but it's not enough when you only hit one type for SE damage and it has many resists. Honestly if I would use STAB move with mediocre offensive typing, I think that really effective move need really good power. Something like STAB Facade with status (210 is enough to ignore lack of targets which you may hit for SE damage) or even this STAB Double-Edge (180). Even STAB Return has higher overall power then STAB Venom Shock. If Gengar was pure Poison type - I would go for this. But when you have a choice of obviously better STAB in Ghost, then I would run only Evil Eye if I wanted to abuse Toxic Spikes. Loosing some of important coverage is IMO too important. Just my opinion ;).
I noticed my mistake. I forgot to add STAB to 130 base power, so it would be... 205 power. Ok, this changes few things a bit and may be viable after all. But still, I prefer to use Evil Eye/Sub/2 coverage moves or 1 coverage/Pain Split or Disable (Disable may be EXTREMELY fun :D).Yeah. I kinda noticed it while typing, but I didn´t want to leave it out completely. You are, however, right. A third coverage move or PainSplit, if you´re running Sub is definitely the better option.
Poison type Arceus made me smile(in a good way, it´s fun). Give the Pokemon god the worst typing ever just for the sake of Gengar NOT getting another STAB^^ Not gonna happen, luckily.
Nah, Psychic is the worst one ;). Poison has some usefull resistances (Fight, Bug, Grass), while it has bulk to take neutral hits. For example it may be a really good check against Terakion without Earthquake (and why would it run it, when Rock + Fight provides almost perfect coverage and with access to great Taunt ?). Also with that many fighting types this Gen Poison may find his niche. I tried it on Pokemon Online in one of teams and it was decent. Just avoid Groudon at all costs ;).Poison type Arceus made me smile(in a good way, it´s fun). Give the Pokemon god the worst typing ever just for the sake of Gengar NOT getting another STAB^^ Not gonna happen, luckily.
The set with Disable posted earlier, Sub/Disable/Shadow Ball/Focus Blast is actually doing phenomenally on my team. Teams not prepared for it can be ripped apart, and it makes some pokemon completely unable to touch Gengar.Disable would be gimmicly at best but i suppose with a good amount of prediction Destiny bond could be viable.
Disable was 55% in Gen I-III, 80% in Gen IV and it's now 100% in Gen V.Disable is 100% accurate now? Or has it always been that way?
It's a gen 5 move change.Disable is 100% accurate now? Or has it always been that way?
How come no one's mentioned choice scarf gengar?
He was a beast on my gen 4 team, and he can still be used to great effect, revenging all kinds of things and coming in easily. he tears through lucario, and if he comes in on someone with less than 50%, he can usually nail them with shadow ball, or 2hko the switch-in.
Having used Disable on Gengar, Protect is indeed more useful to preserve your health. His fragility to attacks isn't really the issue, but hazards, SS, LO and Sub all possibly taking their toll on him really wears him down quick even when not being hit by attacks. Sub however is better for Pain Splitting stuff to low health, so if using both PS and Disable, its a matter of choice.It's a gen 5 move change.
Otherwise, it seems gengar has all these really nice uses for substitute... though it seems that protect would be better so that you don't waste your own hp (pain split gained you health but disable doesn't).
A scarfed Gengar is a great spinblocker against common Starmies, and outspeeds and OHKO's them back. He may be fast as it is, but so far in this generation we have seen a LOT of scarf users, and he still packs a punch with out LO/specs. And, he can definitely net some surprise KO's against those players who run Scarfed sweepers and think they are faster. Also, scarf, specs, or life orb... it doesnt matter if its half way through the game and the damage has racked up on the enemy team... Gengar will clean up good.but.. why would you want to use CS gar? It's already fast enough (possibly you were talking about specs?) and there's nothing truly special that it does (other than do piss poor damage to natt while its spikes and leech seeds and get 1/2hkoed by burungeru).