The quoted post rambles on a bit, but I'll try to respond point by point.
It's important to note that it's not just one player, and idk about right now (or whenever someone sees this), but at some point last night 4 of the top 6 olt players got there with Gothitelle. Just food for thought to all those saying its a trash mon or irrelevant.
Where did someone say Gothitelle was trash or irrelevant in this thread? The only one I remember is SIU, and he specifically mentioned since a particular time, implying it was relevant after that point. He also clearly meant relevance in the context of a potential suspect, not actual utility relevance. I don't think anyone thinks Gothitelle is a "shitmon" or "trash"; it is clearly on the mind of both regular ladder people and tournament folks. Even if someone else did say those things, they are clearly mistaken and you don't need to respond to them. The fact that Shadow Tag is a "thing" and Gothitelle is causing "issues" is why we are having this conversation.
Also, "4 out of the top 6" doesn't actually...mean anything. Why did you choose top 6? Is there something about the top 6 that is special? 4 out of the 6 doesn't provide much useable information considering it is a snapshot in time. Tell me some high percentage out of some top X and justify why that percentage and that top X number are important. Tell me that this is a repeatable, consistent pattern (and try to prove it).
That would mean something. Just telling me "4 out of the top 6" in some arbitrary snapshot in time doesn't tell me anything.
Also, I think the people who criticize the "hype ban mentality" but don't play ORAS OU cannot accurately depict Goth's effect on the metagame.
I feel you are making this personal at this point and should take a quick step back and look at the situation. Yes, someone who does not play ORAS OU actively cannot give judgment calls or make generalizations on the tier. This does NOT mean that they cannot ask for real, actual justification to generalizations made by those who do play. We don't have formalized definitions of uncompetitive, but people are using it...so define what that means and argue
how Gothitelle fits into that particular definition of uncompetitive. Then we can talk if your perceptions on uncompetitive are logical and reasonable or not. However, if you just toot your own horn and say "I play ORAS OU and Gothitelle makes it retarded / uncompetitive / <insert adjective>", you aren't actually saying anything.
I cannot stress enough how much Goth restricts teambuilding when preparing for stall, and how it severely exacerbates matchup issues because of this.
Like I stated previously, please state what "restricts teambuilding" and "exacerbates matchup issues" (your talking points) mean and afterwards please state
how they break or satisfy your defined version of uncompetitive.
Also, please explain the transition logic between restricting teambuilding -> increasing match up issue. An outside individual reading Policy Review would see these two statements side by side and be confused as to what you mean. They would ask, for example, if team building is restricted and therefore you use less things, would this not in fact reduce the team match up issue? Is not the team match up issue a direct result of too many options, not fewer options? I
think I know what you mean but even I can't be 100% certain, and I've been involved in suspecting for a long ass time now.
Most of that which
Reymedy and
fleggumfl stated in their posts sums up my thoughts on Goth's effect on the metagame and team matchup in general. Even casting this aside, the
raw nature of Shadow Tag is uncompetitive and unfit for a simulator that calls itself a home to "competitive pokemon".
Again, you're hounding on people getting upset at the "ban happy mentality" and throwing shots about not playing ORAS OU, but you aren't even providing definitions for your main talking points. Don't just say something is uncompetitive and then throw out a potshot at Showdown and competitive Pokemon. Give me (us) a detailed, thorough definition of what uncompetitive means to you.
I believe there are enough members of the community who feel strongly about this issue to warrant a suspect test, and this longing for the suspect isn't even "hype" or spontaneous because Gothitelle has been a plague to the ladder for a long time now.
It should be noted that suspects aren't determined by "enough members of the community feeling strongly." We who have overseen this process have seen plenty of examples of reactionary raging from the community to know that there has to be solid, thorough reasoning for a suspect. The best examples of this are both BP (the post aim tournament battle in insidescoop that Eo called out for) and Mega-Metagross (that a bunch of tournament players wanted gone and...was voted to stay and now barely anyone, including those same tournament players, believes is suspect worthy).
Most of the anti-ban/suspect posts I see are just people expressing their dislike for suspects in general, and don't really address actual reasons to keep Gothitelle in the metagame.
You are aware that the onus is on the the ban / suspect side to prove why Gothitelle is suspect worthy right? Not vice versa? The ban / suspect side is the one that needs to show what they feel is an acceptable definition of uncompetitive, discuss it with everyone, and assuming everyone accepts this, then show how gothitelle satisfies that definition of uncompetitive.
And hey, if you like Goth in the meta, vote to keep it! At least give us the right to vote on a subject that is highly disputed. If the current system is designed to have people vote on potential outcomes, then I see no reason to not just start this suspect and let the voting outcome speak for itself. Until there is a formal change to the system we have, we shouldn't be denied the right to have an influence on the metagame we play. If the higher ups on Smogon don't want just any person voting, then just do council votes only. That is absolutely better than being given the false sense of importance and influence when it comes to tiering. At the very least be transparent about your agenda.
This whole paragraph is just a ramble and I have no idea where to start to respond to it. How do you know this is highly disputed? What population is this highly disputed in? How did you determine that? Why is something that is highly disputed immediately deserving of a suspect? You are aware we don't just suspect things willy nilly right?
And what the fuck are you on about regarding transparency?
chaos (who isn't on the ou council) stated his concern (that is called transparency). I (as the head of the ou council) asked people to respond to relevant points (again, that is called transparency) and no one has actually bothered to do so in any reasonable manner. Where is the definition of uncompetitive? Where are the arguments that argue, line by line, that Gothitelle breaks this definition of uncompetitive? How the FUCK are we not being transparent lmao? We are literally sitting here, in this topic started by an OU Council member asking the opinions of the community (again, this is called transparency), asking you to respond to points and stating how we feel.
I think you need to look up what "transparent" means because you are clearly grinding an axe in this paragraph and you mean to use some other word for whatever your agenda is.