MoxieInfinite
Banned deucer.
people be wantin to do suspect tests after having played maybe ~10 games. this isnt oras tiering bro, let stuff develop for a while
Typhlito and I have played many more games than just 10, and I myself have played multiple games with many other people. We're just trying to get the metagame as playable as possible early on so we don't have people not wanting to play due to Chansey being in the tier.niggas be wantin to do suspect tests after having played maybe ~10 games. this isnt oras tiering bro, let shit develop for a while
I decided to run calcs for a few Pokemon just to see how it did versus top tier (Speed-wise) Pokemon.Cubone can't be T-Waved so if there's a lot of para spreading going on, it could have the upper hand in terms of turn order.
Can Scyther be countered at all? It may have the superior stats, but its learnpool isn't really that good when you have things like Staryu using Hydro Pump and Houndour using Fire Blast. It gets Wing Attack, and from there it has to choose between HP Bug for a secondary STAB and HP Fighting/Ground/Rock for coverage.
Scyther flat out 2HKOes every single Pokemon here, bar Ponyta, or OHKOes at +2. Due to Berry Juice, however, it's a 3HKO. Swords Dance / Wing Attack / Hidden Power Bug / Baton Pass is really all it needed. Onix is hurt by a +2 Hidden Power Bug, and even then Scyther can Baton Pass into Diglett and then take advantage of the Rock-types trying to counter it. So no, Scyther was unable to be countered even with a tiny movepool x_x.Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Diglett: 13-16 (65 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Diglett: 25-30 (125 - 150%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Elekid: 12-15 (50 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Elekid: 23-28 (95.8 - 116.6%) -- 94.9% chance to OHKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Voltorb: 12-15 (52.1 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Voltorb: 22-27 (95.6 - 117.3%) -- 97.4% chance to OHKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Abra: 30-36 (136.3 - 163.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Abra: 56-66 (254.5 - 300%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Meowth: 12-15 (52.1 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Meowth: 23-28 (100 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Poliwag: 12-15 (52.1 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Poliwag: 23-28 (100 - 121.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Scyther Wing Attack vs. Ponyta: 10-12 (41.6 - 50%) -- 0.1% chance to 2HKO
+2 Scyther Wing Attack vs. Ponyta: 17-21 (70.8 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Staryu: 11-13 (50 - 59%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 Scyther Hidden Power Bug vs. Staryu: 20-24 (90.9 - 109%) -- 56.4% chance to OHKO
You're getting it mixed up with gen 1. It is 60 BP as of generation 2.I'm kinda impressed that wing attack managed to make itself onto a primary moveslot of a pokemon that's considered broken or near enough, like damn that was a 35 BP move.
yah I never played gen 2 in game :[ I just know it's really low in gens 1 and 3 so I didn't expect it to be as good as that. RIPYou're getting it mixed up with gen 1. It is 60 BP as of generation 2.
ADV LC resources can be found in the LC subforum. There's a few players that like the meta but the playerbase is pretty small. You can usually find a match by asking in the LC room on PS.Speaking of which, is Gen 3 Little Cup played at all? I did some research but only found this mesmerising old post from Crystal_.
Urrrrrrrrrrgh, so the breeding moves issue is not fully fixed on PS it seems :(Smoochum @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
- Lovely Kiss
- Ice Beam
- Psychic
- Thief
rip i had to change machop's set because of that also. Maybe i'll just change it to petal dance for now.Urrrrrrrrrrgh, so the breeding moves issue is not fully fixed on PS it seems :(