This would be really broken, either it'd be banned or swift swim + drizzle will be banned, its much more dangerous than sun.You've turned me into a theorymonning junkie. Thanks for that.
SuggestingDrizzle Poliwag
Flavor:
This makes complete sense, to be to totally frank. With Politoed sporting Drizzle as its Hidden Ability, it would only make sense for its pre-evolution to have access to Drizzle as well. The only true factor in the way of this already is Poliwag's split evolution line, as Poliwhirl and Poliwrath have Swift Swim as their Hidden Ability instead, and Poliwag appears to follow that evolution line more than its alternate line with Politoed.
Analysis:
Not only would this increase Poliwag's viability, but it would introduce a rain auto-inducer to the metagame, providing the grounds for rain teams to thrive. Poliwag already has excellent Speed, hitting 19 Speed with full investment, and its a formidable sweeper with Belly Drum. It wouldn't rival Vulpix's sheer offensive presence in tandem with sun, but it would most definitely not be dead weight after it sets ups rain. Rain teams would increase in usage, with potent Swift Swimmers, such as Omanyte and Anorith, also increasing in usage. Manual rain, as it stands currently, allows various already-threatening Pokemon in LC to abuse the weather, such as Chinchou and Croagunk; increasing this threat would shake up the metagame quite a bit.
Moveset:
Poliwag can pose a threat in two drastic ways: as a Belly Drum sweeper and as support / utility Pokemon. Poliwag's most common set(s) would be the following:
Poliwag @ Berry Juice
Level: 5
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 116 HP / 196 Atk / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Waterfall
- Encore
- Return
Poliwag @ Damp Rock
Level: 5
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 116 HP / 196 SpA / 196 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Hypnosis
- Encore
- Ice Beam / Hidden Power Ground / Mud Bomb
The only controversial aspect of the movesets would be in the latter moveset, with the final coverage move. Ice Beam hits Grass-types and Hidden Power Ground / Mud Bomb hit Chinchou. Mud Bomb has slightly more damage, but Hidden Power Ground will actually hit 100% of the time.
Drizzle Swim isn't banned in LC, wtf. It just doesn't exist because we've never had a Drizzle poke.Um. Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned in LC, plus, it's one Pokemon.
Oh. I am smart/10. Well, disregard my previous post lol.Drizzle Swim isn't banned in LC, wtf. It just doesn't exist because we've never had a Drizzle poke.
Banned.If a theorymon turns out to be broken, would it be banned/removed?
Editing in bp + sd venipede later
Great theorymon but pawniard resists and dark pulse over dazeI'd like to contribute Dark/Ghost Zorua
/With a whopping three immunities, Zorua can now make much better use of every feature it possesses. In terms of luring, Zorua can still lure Psychic attacks by disguising as a Poison-type. However, now Zorua can disguise itself as a Steel or Normal type, luring in Fighters to hit with STAB Shadow Ball or Extrasensory if Croagunk. It now has unresisted STAB coverage, but still sits at a very crowded 17 Speed tier. Adding a Ghost type increases Zorua's versatility, but its frailty and sparse movepool will always cut it short.
- Zorua sits at a lovely D rank.
- There's no way this would break Zorua, who is still super frail
- Adds a second typing to a mono-Dark Pokemon
- Flavorwise, the popular concept of a ghost often includes shapeshifting
For luring examples, consider the following:
Dark/Ghost Zorua would just be so much better and would actually give the cute lil fox somewhere to be in LC.
- Comes out as Croagunk, hits a Psychic-type with super effective Dark/Ghost STAB
- Comes out as Ferroseed, actually hits something
- Comes out as Aipom, hits Ghost-type with super effective Dark STAB
- Comes out as Porygon, hits Fighting-type with Ghost STAB or possibly tricking Specs
EDIT: Possible Moveset idea:
Zorua @ Choice Specs
Ability: Illusion
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 200 SpA / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Night Daze
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Trick
They have HP Fight as coverage so pawn aint resistin that.Great theorymon but pawniard resists and dark pulse over daze
With Specs, the 5 BP increase actually can do some pretty cool things to the rolls:They have HP Fight as coverage so pawn aint resistin that.
Also Daze is an Acc Drop, lets stick with Pulse which is a wee bit more accurate and has a flinch chance. also does the 5 BP from daze even matter?
Extrasensory would do pretty well, esp. against Gunk but I've found from just using Zorua as it is that you basically hit either HP Fight or Daze/Pulse 95% of the time. I'll totally slash it thoWith specs daze definitely has a use, but its worth noting if your going a life orb or other such item route then they should generally do the same damage (they do the same for all the above mentioned calcs at least).
Also (I know thats just a sample set and its not really that important to the actual theorymon) wouldn't a coverage move be more useful than shadow ball, which despite stab has a tonne of overlap with dark. I'm thinking extrasensory for the many fighting types, or maybe U-turn since it is a choice set.
Haha, this already is bringing a lot of play to what zorua could potentially could do, I like it.
No buffs.Gale Wings buffed Zubat
Zubat's new stats: 45/55/45/55/45/50
+Currently sucks ass
+Typing is actually amazing
+Revolutionize Birdspam
+Decent support movepool, with Gale Wings letting it become a great utility mon
+Would check a substantial amount of Mons (Fightings, Grass types, Fairies)
+Priority Defog
+Flexible mon
-Still easily checkable
-Nasty Plot isn't devastating but still gud
-Not all that bulky without Evio
LC today is dominated by Fighting types, and Zubat has the potential to be a reliable offensive counter to them. Basically, I wanted to reinvent a D rank into a high-B to low-A threat that may actually shift the metagame away from its stale state. Zubat has a myriad of common resistances that give it set up pretty awesome opportunities, especially versus Spritzee, Timburr and Foongus. It would be an amazing Nssty Plot sweeper, and an astounding pivot. Gale Wings and the buffed (to average) stats make it both an offensive and defensive presence.
Plus it takes the piss out of Fizz's Nincada.
The previous vote had a buff and you accepted it. :/No buffs.
Things were decided on between the council.The previous vote had a buff and you accepted it. :/
Well sorry that you don't always get what you want and I didn't post but I deleted the posts saying you could. Read the OP.Then post those things instead of wasting people's time. Also, that's dumb af because stats are the biggest issue when it comes to viability in LC.