I haven't tried Quick Stall, but that Infernape does look good. To be honest, it plays so differently to other sets that it would be hard to test without playtesting, but it looks like it could do really well, assuming you could get down all of the entry hazards that you would need. All I can really say though, is kudos for coming up with what is probably the only genuinely creative moveset in some time.EDIT: Can I have some opinions on my Infernape set (post 1867) ???
Endure + Salac comes up every now and then, but it really doesn't work. Between Priority moves, Scarfers and Weather, the likelyhood of it actually working is minimal, and even if it does outspeed something Magmortar does not have the firepower or movepool to make it word. You are better off with things like Lucario, which is immune to sand and Poison and has a priority move, or Mamoswine, which is immune to all weather, has a priority move, and can do something like Endeavour + Ice Shard for a guaranteed kill.I've been trying this set and haven't seen it onsite anywhere:
Magmortar@Salac Berry
Modest
252 spatk 216speed 44def
Fire Blast/Flamethrower
Hidden Power Ice
Endure
Thunderbolt
Much like the Choice Scarf set except this requires prediction to use, however it allows the freedom and power of the Choice Scarf set and some added benefits. Also doesn't mind SR on the field.
Use Endure when you predict a KO, activating Salac when reaching 1 hp and allows a sweep. The neat thing about Flame Body is that most priority moves are physical and all of them are contact. 30% to burn a revenge killer
Thoughts? Endure+Salac can work on any pokemon
Thanks for the comment, I know it gets hampered by priority and I guess that's the main reason why Endure + Salac doesn't show on site sets oftenI haven't tried Quick Stall, but that Infernape does look good. To be honest, it plays so differently to other sets that it would be hard to test without playtesting, but it looks like it could do really well, assuming you could get down all of the entry hazards that you would need. All I can really say though, is kudos for coming up with what is probably the only genuinely creative moveset in some time.
Endure + Salac comes up every now and then, but it really doesn't work. Between Priority moves, Scarfers and Weather, the likelyhood of it actually working is minimal, and even if it does outspeed something Magmortar does not have the firepower or movepool to make it word. You are better off with things like Lucario, which is immune to sand and Poison and has a priority move, or Mamoswine, which is immune to all weather, has a priority move, and can do something like Endeavour + Ice Shard for a guaranteed kill.
Well, since leech seed is said to be compatible with big root, imo, i don't think so. but, it would be nice if i could just replace leech seed for giga drain for a more unique set.Wouldn't Giga Drain be better than HP Flying on that set? Just a thought.
and yes, i just copied the spreads and replaced the speed with sp.atk, since im not very knowledgeable about evs that much. Thanks for the thumbs up, and yes for countering venusaur since it appears on almost everybody's team.No, the idea of HP Flying is to stop Pokemon which are immune to Leech Seed, but I would still recommend HP Psychic for them most of time, because it hits others too. However, are you planning on using it in UU or OU? Also, this set is already on site, just without Big Root and HP Psychic/Flying. However, Lefties is better than Big Root unless you are up against Blissey or something, and generally the other options like Rain Dance are better than Hidden Power, to increase healing, although you will definitely need something to hit the Venusaurs out there. It seems like a good set, because of the niche with Rain Dish, and you want to play to that as much as possible.
Like Atheno said, Big Root is basically always inferior to Leftovers with only a couple of exceptions (Blissey).
You forgot Taunt and weather also stop thisSmeargle
Sweeper
dragon Rage
Agility
Spore
Endeavor
Own tempo
Focus Sash
Naive
252spe/the rest doesnt matter so long its not defenses or HP
Noone expects a sweeping Smeargle, I use Agility, becoming faster than even Darkrai and Jolteon, then (with 1HP remaining) I sweep with Spore Endeavor and dragon rage, only stopped by abnormally early wake ups, vital spirit, (they still get endeavored) Early bird, ghosts or priority moves, the latter can be fixed with atk EVs and Xtremspd, but has issues wit leftovers
You forgot Taunt and weather also stop this
Smeargle needs one turn to use Agility; until then it's slow and anything that outspeeds will break its Sash. This is similar to the Trick Room set on Smogon; I think the TR set is more useful for your team because if Smeargle should get KO'ed you can bring in a slow Pokemon to revenge.Smeargle is too fast to be taunted and weather must come via tranitar hippowdon or abomasnow (etc.) because they still too slow, nothing is faster than his 500+ spd
And when you have one hp, you'll be killed because of sandstorm or hail.whaaaaaaaat?
turn 1: i use agility, they atk i get 1 hp, if they don't atk i use agilkity repeatedly
when i have 1 hp i use spore, and i'll be faster because of agility
what are you talking about breaking my sash?
not really, considering the average sleep time is 2 turns, so it can't sweep, and it's only capable off taking out 1 poke and endeavoring the next, while mine sweeps, sometimes instantly winning, the worse smeargle ran into on pkmn online was choice scarf shandera with shadow tag, but the absolute best an unprepared team did was wait until a lucario (5th poke) woke up early, it got endeavored and revenge killed easily leaving the scoreboard at 5[me] to 1[him] so MUHAHAHA to you! Oh, and 1 more thing:Smeargle needs one turn to use Agility; until then it's slow and anything that outspeeds will break its Sash. This is similar to the Trick Room set on Smogon; I think the TR set is more useful for your team because if Smeargle should get KO'ed you can bring in a slow Pokemon to revenge.
If you switch at 1HP, you aren't bringing him back in if there are hazards/Sandstorm/Hail on the field.oh, you mean if they use that as their lead
good point, although smeargle outspeeds all 3 I think, except abomasnow's ice shard, and so i can spore and safely switch
And what team doesn't at least have one sleep absorber / ghost / priority? This set is so unbelievably flawed against at least a competent team. Furthermore, this set, funnily enough, can't beat blissey or chansey with leftovers as 6% of their hp is larger than the 40 damage that dragon rage does.Smeargle
Sweeper
dragon Rage
Agility
Spore
Endeavor
Own tempo
Focus Sash
Naive
252spe/the rest doesnt matter so long its not defenses or HP
Noone expects a sweeping Smeargle, I use Agility, becoming faster than even Darkrai and Jolteon, then (with 1HP remaining) I sweep with Spore Endeavor and dragon rage, only stopped by abnormally early wake ups, vital spirit, (they still get endeavored) Early bird, ghosts or priority moves, the latter can be fixed with atk EVs and Xtremspd, but has issues wit leftovers