np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)

[Texas Cloverleaf]

^I used that Salamence. It functioned fairly well in conjunction with Hitmontop and Gyarados but found itself under a lot of pressure and wasn't able to stay healthy or keep its teammates healthy enough.

Also, Crobat needs more love. This set:
Crobat (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Brave Bird
- Super Fang
- U-turn
Is so amazing at its job. Taunt and Super Fang to break stall. Taunt to stop BP and set up. U-Turn for scouting and momentum. Brave Bird for offensive presence. 279 attack with a STAB 120 BP move does a lot more than people give it credit for. It also works well as either a lead or as a supporter. I initially ran it with a Sash and on pokes it would stay in to Taunt it never actually got down to sash.

 

[kyurem92]

^I used that Salamence. It functioned fairly well in conjunction with Hitmontop and Gyarados but found itself under a lot of pressure and wasn't able to stay healthy or keep its teammates healthy enough.

Also, Crobat needs more love. This set:
Crobat (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Brave Bird
- Super Fang
- U-turn
Is so amazing at its job. Taunt and Super Fang to break stall. Taunt to stop BP and set up. U-Turn for scouting and momentum. Brave Bird for offensive presence. 279 attack with a STAB 120 BP move does a lot more than people give it credit for. It also works well as either a lead or as a supporter. I initially ran it with a Sash and on pokes it would stay in to Taunt it never actually got down to sash.

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Crobat (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 hp / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Taunt
- Brave Bird
- Super Fang
- roost

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

That would be the defensive version. Offensive is far, far better.

Its like the difference between max HP spinner starmie last gen and max spa spinner starmie this gen.

 

[lmitchell0012]

LOL at the large number of scarfers now.
I'm seeing some scarfed jirachi.




deoxys-n?
how so?

Just a note. Scarf jirachi can't really counter deoxys-s very well. I know that most sets don't carry t-wave, but if deoxys does your pretty much screwed. Specially defensive jirachi works much better.

 

[lordkira]

Just a note. Scarf jirachi can't really counter deoxys-s very well. I know that most sets don't carry t-wave, but if deoxys does your pretty much screwed. Specially defensive jirachi works much better.

Why does it have to counter deo?

 

[lmitchell0012]

Why does it have to counter deo?

What else can safely counter deoxys-s (in OU)??

 

[Woodchuck]

Chople tar, Chansey, Porygon2, Espeon, Most Bulky Waters...
It depends on the moveset, but there is one important thing:
Jirachi is one of the best Deoxys-S counters. Lol. And it does so even with Scarf.
(Thunder Wave Deo, really? Deoxys is already outspeeding everything and it doesn't really have the room or bulk.)

 

[lmitchell0012]

Chople tar, Chansey, Porygon2, Espeon, Most Bulky Waters...
It depends on the moveset, but there is one important thing:
Jirachi is one of the best Deoxys-S counters. Lol. And it does so even with Scarf.
(Thunder Wave Deo, really? Deoxys is already outspeeding everything and it doesn't really have the room or bulk.)

Chansey and porygon-2 are completely shut down by taunt.

I'm guessing espeon can't take a specs shadow ball.

I don't think tyranitar can take a specs focus blast either. And yeah, I know t-wave is uncommon but if he carries it then what??

Oh, and bulky waters will most likely lost to a calm mind set.

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Chansey and porygon-2 are completely shut down by taunt.

Siesmic toss and thunderbolt are going to hurt.

 

[lordkira]

What else can safely counter deoxys-s (in OU)??

Wait what are we talking about?I don't get why you suddenly started talking about scarfrachi needing to counter deo all of a sudden

 

[lmitchell0012]

Siesmic toss and thunderbolt are going to hurt.

He has calm mind and recover. And all I'm saying is that scarf jirachi isn't a reliable counter to deoxys-s because of t-wave.

 

[lordkira]

Btw scarfrachi with Uturn will beat any of the posted standard deo s sets as deo fails tO 2hko scarfrachi (I'm talkIng about the mixed lo set

 

[Cometk]

Chansey and porygon-2 are completely shut down by taunt.

I'm guessing espeon can't take a specs shadow ball.

I don't think tyranitar can take a specs focus blast either. And yeah, I know t-wave is uncommon but if he carries it then what??

Oh, and bulky waters will most likely lost to a calm mind set.

He has calm mind and recover. And all I'm saying is that scarf jirachi isn't a reliable counter to deoxys-s because of t-wave.

i think you're the only person who uses specs / cm deoxys-e. people are telling you counters to standard sets because they're much more likely to be used than what you may use...

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

What ^ said. The only sets commonly used are the lead hazards set and the offensive LO set.

 

[what123]

well now that thunderus is banned i wonder what will replace him as the best anti lead. I hope not whimiscott, that thing sucks @ss. If he somehow gets taunted with no sub up, he's screwed because those that do use him(i don't think) don't use attacks on him.

 

[Texas Cloverleaf]

Crobat. God this thing is amazing.

EDIT: 1.8k post, very nice.

 

[New World Order]

well now that thunderus is banned i wonder what will replace him as the best anti lead. I hope not whimiscott, that thing sucks @ss. If he somehow gets taunted with no sub up, he's screwed because those that do use him(i don't think) don't use attacks on him.

Since when was Thundurus the best anti-lead? As well, with team preview, there's really no such thing as a lead metagame anymore.

 

[Matthew]

I've unstuck this thread due to the insane amount of sticky topics we have already. This thread is active enough it doesn't really require a stick either.

 

[MetaGross66]

Since when was Thundurus the best anti-lead? As well, with team preview, there's really no such thing as a lead metagame anymore.

There can be one. Things like Multiscale mixnite/DDnite, Anti-lead thundurus, Volt Switch Rotom-W, and anti-lead machamp can be effective in the lead slot in almost any situation. However, you have the option of changing the lead. Still, more often than not, these Pokemon will be effective in the lead position considering the advantages they give you early game. Isn't that the point of a lead? I almost always stick with a designated lead rarely switching (unless I know I'll be at a disadvantage with a certain player, but that's pretty rare).

Edit: also, multiscale mixnite is the best anti-lead. Try it. ;)

 

[Pocket]

Other than Deoxys-S I wouldn't consider any other mons as committed leads. People usually lead with their weather inducers or Dragon / Scarf Terrakion / Rotom-W. Rotom-W is such a bitch as a lead :0

Anti-lead Thundurus sounds like a waste of Thundurus imo, but I guess it would fit on offensive teams that needs his priority Taunt + T-Wave.

This suspect thread has become enormous lol.

 

[Missingno. Master]

This suspect thread has become enormous lol.

Which begs the question, isn't a new one supposed to be started by now?

 

[Princess Bubblegum]

Which begs the question, isn't a new one supposed to be started by now?

We might have to wait for UU or something so they can restart the whole ladder.

 

[verbatim]

What else can safely counter deoxys-s (in OU)??

A lot actually, while its offenses are high enough to run an attacking set, a max special attack of 287 (assuming speed boosting nature to catch scarfers) isn't all that impressive. If you don't have a super effective move against a bulky sweeper/tank, it will beat you, one hundred percent of the time. If you want a perfect counter, Dual Screen Espeon magic mirrors all of Deoxys-S's hazards right back at it, resists its stab, and takes...31.4% - 37.1% damage from ice beam/thunderbolt. Also worth nothing, Wobbofett really shines at stopping Deoxys-S, he can encore an attacking move/spikes, giving an ally a free set up move in return for minimal damage. As we all know, letting Volcarona get a free Quiver Dance set up late game is more than worth 2 layers of spikes.

 

[waterwarrior]

If he somehow gets taunted with no sub up, he's screwed because those that do use him(i don't think) don't use attacks on him.

How often do you get an oppurtunity to Taunt a Whimsicott? The only possible way is if you predict it coming in or you have your own Whimsicott, and many things that normally carry Taunt won't be things Whimiscott will come in on. And Giga Drain is pretty common iirc, not very powerful but its still damage.

 

[MetaGross66]

Other than Deoxys-S I wouldn't consider any other mons as committed leads. People usually lead with their weather inducers or Dragon / Scarf Terrakion / Rotom-W. Rotom-W is such a bitch as a lead :0

Anti-lead Thundurus sounds like a waste of Thundurus imo, but I guess it would fit on offensive teams that needs his priority Taunt + T-Wave.

This suspect thread has become enormous lol.

Generally, if I'm going to have a dedicated lead it's going to have to be able to take a hit and give me the momentum (either through a kill/surprise factor/force switches). Anti-lead machamp and Multiscale mixnite do just that. Leads like them are pretty rare but very viable.

Also, UU hasn't started so they can reset the ladder now I think.