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Genesect is one the most unique Pokemon in the tier, with positive and negative traits that stand out from other Pokemon. On one hand, it has great mixed offenses, typing, and movepool. On the other hand, it has middling speed, and could be scouted for. With its great movepool, it gets affected by 4MSS, and an intelligent player can narrow its sets down from team preview. Its positive traits are very influential, making it one of the best Pokemon in the tier. Thus, its suspect is a very important moment, and I want to clarify where both sides stand on Genesect, so that people can make the right decision.
No Ban: Genesect's suspect is happening very early in the metagame. A lot of players (myself included) were calling for a Pheromosa quickban, when it was not quickban worthy. We should give Genesect more time, so that the metagame develops to an extent where we can judge whether it will be broken or not. Genesect could go the same way as Pheromosa, and it has got arguably worse from last generation due to the hit Choice Banded Genesect has taken, giving some playstyles, like stall, an easier time, with Pokemon like Toxapex and Mantine introduced. Although Genesect definitely gets benefitted from the addition of more fairy types like Tapu Lele, making its defensive typing even better, there are numerous steels like Mega Metagross and Magearna, which give it a bit more competition, from XY, and teams can weigh each of there benefits. Genesect may be broken right now, but as the metagame develops, we dont know if it will have a similar fate as Pheromosa, which was broken for the first few days of SuMo and should give it more time. Additionally, scouting isnt as hard as it may seem, because you can see what a team may need to lure, and can run calcs to determine his item, and can also see whether he needs Rock Polish Genesect for offense, or pressures it well enough and needs the fourth attack, and a lot of Pokemon, which check certain sets, like Mega Metagross to non Flamethrower Genesect/ Banded Genesect , or Lando T to non Ice Beam Genesect, are pretty sphlashable, so while it is hard to prepare for it, it may be just as hard to prepare for something like Mega Metagross, after a couple of weeks, with its best answers like Scizor Mega also sometimes losing to partners like Magnezone.
Ban: Genesect has one of the best movepools of a metagame, and even though the Band Set lost some effectiveness, the reason for its ban in XY still stay. Although you can try to scout, one misplay will result in the loss of a Pokemon, which could be very crucial for the game. Your opponent knows, as well as you that you could be scouting. It has many characteristics like XY Greninja, but it also has decent bulk, and no 'hard counter', and it also pressures 2 playstyles very well with sets like Rock Polish, or even Scarf Genesect pressuring offense, Life Orb and Banded Genesect pressuring balance, maybe slightly more effectively, and even could pressure stall in cores with Life Orb Genesect and Screech Dugtrio .
I hope I was sufficient in outlining the opinions of both sides, and that I helped you in understanding this suspect.
No Ban: Genesect's suspect is happening very early in the metagame. A lot of players (myself included) were calling for a Pheromosa quickban, when it was not quickban worthy. We should give Genesect more time, so that the metagame develops to an extent where we can judge whether it will be broken or not. Genesect could go the same way as Pheromosa, and it has got arguably worse from last generation due to the hit Choice Banded Genesect has taken, giving some playstyles, like stall, an easier time, with Pokemon like Toxapex and Mantine introduced. Although Genesect definitely gets benefitted from the addition of more fairy types like Tapu Lele, making its defensive typing even better, there are numerous steels like Mega Metagross and Magearna, which give it a bit more competition, from XY, and teams can weigh each of there benefits. Genesect may be broken right now, but as the metagame develops, we dont know if it will have a similar fate as Pheromosa, which was broken for the first few days of SuMo and should give it more time. Additionally, scouting isnt as hard as it may seem, because you can see what a team may need to lure, and can run calcs to determine his item, and can also see whether he needs Rock Polish Genesect for offense, or pressures it well enough and needs the fourth attack, and a lot of Pokemon, which check certain sets, like Mega Metagross to non Flamethrower Genesect/ Banded Genesect , or Lando T to non Ice Beam Genesect, are pretty sphlashable, so while it is hard to prepare for it, it may be just as hard to prepare for something like Mega Metagross, after a couple of weeks, with its best answers like Scizor Mega also sometimes losing to partners like Magnezone.
Ban: Genesect has one of the best movepools of a metagame, and even though the Band Set lost some effectiveness, the reason for its ban in XY still stay. Although you can try to scout, one misplay will result in the loss of a Pokemon, which could be very crucial for the game. Your opponent knows, as well as you that you could be scouting. It has many characteristics like XY Greninja, but it also has decent bulk, and no 'hard counter', and it also pressures 2 playstyles very well with sets like Rock Polish, or even Scarf Genesect pressuring offense, Life Orb and Banded Genesect pressuring balance, maybe slightly more effectively, and even could pressure stall in cores with Life Orb Genesect and Screech Dugtrio .
I hope I was sufficient in outlining the opinions of both sides, and that I helped you in understanding this suspect.
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