Can anybody give me a non-steel pokemon that isn't 1HKOd by Altarias +1 LO Outrage and can OHKO through Yache berry?
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Regirock is 3hko'd even with no defensive ev's and threatens with stone edge (pos. nature & 172 atk is guaranteed ohko on 72 hp altaria).
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Banned deucer.
I know you think its funny that I think Altaria can have Life Orb and Yache berry at the same time, but I mentioned them both in same sentence because if a pokemon can ko the yache set but can't survive the LO set, than it's useless, as is a pokemon that can survive the LO set but can't ko the yache set.
I also wanted to post that there seems to be a glitch in shoddy that allows Slaking to switch out after using Giga Impact against a ghost type. A slaking used giga impact on my spiritomb, causing it to "miss", and then switched out. I don't think this is how it works in-game, as hitting something with an attack that it's immune to still counts as hitting it, but I'm probably wrong.
CB Relicanth with only 6 HP EVs takes maximum 73% from Altarias Earthquake with Yache Berry (and easily absorbs one Outrage if needed) and easily beats it with Head Smash. But if you need 100% Altaria Counter, Max HP CB Relicanth won't be OHKOed by any of her moves and easily KO her. Maybe that will help you ?
Well, I'm not really having problems beating it per se because I'm using Registeel right now, but I'm thinking that if the only way to beat it is with steelix and registeel its going to be a problem. I'm sure there is stuff out there that can whether 270 BP attacks coming from Altarias wimpy 70 atk, but I'm too lazy to look up pokemon and do the damage calcs.
perhaps you "missed" regardless, as in actually missed (GI has 90% accuracy)
I've been using SubRoost Moltres extensively paired with Roserade Toxic Spikes support and Blastoise Rapid Spin support, and I can confirm that it is indeed deadly. Stone Edge's 8 PP go really quickly against a Pokemon with Pressure, especially if you successfully use WoW on the switch-in. Of course, using SubRoost Moltres requires you to use almost half a stall team to really use it well, but I'm running full stall, so that isn't a problem.
I've been experimenting with several leads for a number of different teams and I've come up with a couple of gems that are working out really well for me so far. Here's one:
Drifblim @ Choice Scarf
Timid
Unburden
224 Def / 48 SpD / 236 Spe
- Trick
- Will-o-wisp
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
This guy has been working wonders for me so far as a lead. It easily cripples a number of common leads (Crobat, Ambipom, Froslass etc) and a whole lot more besides. The EVs give 420 speed with Choice Scarf, enough to outrun lead Electrode who can be crippled with Trick so that it can't perform its usual Rain Dance + Explosion antics, making Rain teams much easier to deal with from the start (in fact I once almost swept a Rain team solely with this guy). Even after tricking away the scarf, Drifblim has 560 speed thanks to Unburden, which outruns almost everything even with a scarf, and can proceed to Will-o-wisp physical attackers before they can move, use STAB Shadow Ball for good consistent damage, or Destiny Bond to take something down with you. Very very useful.
Drifblim @ Choice Scarf
Timid
Unburden
224 Def / 48 SpD / 236 Spe
- Trick
- Will-o-wisp
- Shadow Ball
- Destiny Bond
This guy has been working wonders for me so far as a lead. It easily cripples a number of common leads (Crobat, Ambipom, Froslass etc) and a whole lot more besides. The EVs give 420 speed with Choice Scarf, enough to outrun lead Electrode who can be crippled with Trick so that it can't perform its usual Rain Dance + Explosion antics, making Rain teams much easier to deal with from the start (in fact I once almost swept a Rain team solely with this guy). Even after tricking away the scarf, Drifblim has 560 speed thanks to Unburden, which outruns almost everything even with a scarf, and can proceed to Will-o-wisp physical attackers before they can move, use STAB Shadow Ball for good consistent damage, or Destiny Bond to take something down with you. Very very useful.
PayBack Muk do his job in countering special opponents, he handles Mismagius quite well too. Bulky Altaria also works fine with her solid 75/105 defence. Whirlwind Noctowl also is fine, but watch out on Thunderbolt, making him worse option against it. But on standard Sub CM set it's solid.
I'm just using standard Tank set:
252 HP/ 68 Atk/ 188 SpD Brave or Adamant Nature
~ Poison Jab
~ Brick Break
~ PayBack
~ Giga Drain
Works really fine for me.
252 HP/ 68 Atk/ 188 SpD Brave or Adamant Nature
~ Poison Jab
~ Brick Break
~ PayBack
~ Giga Drain
Works really fine for me.
Iron Head Registeel does the job pretty effectively and provides great team support.
I run Iron Head/Thunder Wave/SR/Explode
Edit: Beaten by LMK
Wait, Unburden is THAT awesome? I didn't think it would activate if you Tricked and received an item...
Thats not how it should be. I know for a fact if you get any item back the unburden boost disapears
Glaceon @Leftovers
Nature:Calm
Ability:Snow Cloak
Ev's:252HP/216SpD/40Def
-Wish
-Protect
-Roar
-Ice Beam
my own counter to Raikou, CM mismagius, soaking up random hits like bulky waters, and Phazing enemies that can't touch it. This Glaceon can single-handedly destroy teams (especially hail) after i set up TS and SR. No one expects glaceon to have roar and it can get rid of those Raikou's to give you enough time to set up TS. I've actually had it live a Blaziken's Fire Blast, that's how bulky it is. Espeon's Life orb Hidden Power fighting does less then 55% unboosted, atleast that's how it was on shoddy.
Nature:Calm
Ability:Snow Cloak
Ev's:252HP/216SpD/40Def
-Wish
-Protect
-Roar
-Ice Beam
my own counter to Raikou, CM mismagius, soaking up random hits like bulky waters, and Phazing enemies that can't touch it. This Glaceon can single-handedly destroy teams (especially hail) after i set up TS and SR. No one expects glaceon to have roar and it can get rid of those Raikou's to give you enough time to set up TS. I've actually had it live a Blaziken's Fire Blast, that's how bulky it is. Espeon's Life orb Hidden Power fighting does less then 55% unboosted, atleast that's how it was on shoddy.
then you probably fought me :D and yeah i remember your name
hmm. From my travel's so far it seems Bibarel is still viable (thanks Bologo) abnd it seems that abomasnow is still sexy :)
I dnt use it as a hail tema start, just as a lead.
Abomasnow @ specs
Quiet
252 Sp.Atk, 100 Atk, 152 HP
-Focus Punch
-Blizzard
-Energy Ball
-HP Ground
I may end up throwing n shadow ball or HP ghost to hit that damn Frosalss for SE, but i like the ocvergae Ground/ice gives me :)
I dnt use it as a hail tema start, just as a lead.
Abomasnow @ specs
Quiet
252 Sp.Atk, 100 Atk, 152 HP
-Focus Punch
-Blizzard
-Energy Ball
-HP Ground
I may end up throwing n shadow ball or HP ghost to hit that damn Frosalss for SE, but i like the ocvergae Ground/ice gives me :)
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