Hi there, it´s Chains of Ruin War Journal, (my first post), reporting some things that have been bothering me. I´m new to the Forum BUT not that new to Competitive Pokémon. And I´m Scared. Really. Cause in the upcoming Gen V or you HAVE the stats to make an impact or you end like Miltank and possibly Afro Bull - in the Butcher. Why am I talking about Butchers? Cause Butchers have Axes. And now prepare for the real part of the Thread.
The Offensive Department
The Axe-Face Murderer has ALMOST THE SAME ATK of Rayquaza and people ask what kind of teams we will have to prepare for? Listen to this people, this is THE generation that is going to define what niche a Poké has on a team. Things that have average numbers on all the 6 Stats, crappy offensive typing or a BIG problem (let´s see how dominant will SR be) are going to be replaced.
This time, we can´t have a SORT OF sweeper or a SORT OF stall-breaker or a SORT OF offensive lead. We need specialized ATK/Sp ATK pokes that rape teams, with OR WITHOUT a turn of setup.
All time favourites and newcomers will take their spot, but it seems like Mence, Luke, the OMG Blaziken, Doryuzuu, Ononokuzu, Heatran, Scizor, Gyara, Gengar, Sazando, Tyranitar and Dnite will make the bulk of Offense, not counting with Kingdra and Starmie are everywhere! with the RainToed/ Swimming Googles combo. To a lesser extent, we have Metagross (it can blow up, but has a predictable movepool and no Gen V toys to play with, as far as I know), Jolteon and Vire (one has the speed and power and lacks mixed and surprise capabilities, the other his THE Expert Belt Poké but it doesn´t have the stats without a Motor Drive boost but even then it gets easilly walled), Ape (your outclassed, monkey man) Machamp (there´s another No Guard Poke, isn´t it), Heracross, Technician Breloom and The Shadow Tag Candle. Do you see gimmicks having a spot to shine? Will you use them, when you can have the SAME umpredictability with TONS of more power? I think that even Bulky Offense will be much less effective. Offensive Suicune, ZApdos or Togekiss will have more trouble finding the time to get thoose boosts AND take the hits from the sweepers. And I didn´t say that the Good Old same counters from the past won´t be there to spot their sweep, did I?
The Defensive Department
Same goes to walls. Snorlax can´t take a DMeteor in Gen IV. Do you see it taking a Sazando Bomb (just joke, don´t ban me cause I spread rumors about new moves XD) to the face? This is just an example. And if in Sweepers being a one turn or ZERO turn menace is one of the requisites, same goes for walls. People - RELIABLE RECOVERY, GOOD STATS and GOOD TYPING have to be ALL combined. No more RestTalk spam. Yes, maybe that anti-Fighting restTalk Gyara or Torment Tran or (this will probably be durable enough and has Roost) Phaze Zapdos will live to see the sunlight, but now The ONLY and FEW reliable pokés will be Skarm, Blissey, Cresselia WITH Ninetales boosted Moonlight, The Ghost/Water jellyfish, Swampert, Poison Heal Gliscor, Suicune (here, Crocune has HIS spot) the Grass/Steel Forretress, Forretress himself, Tentacruel finally abusing it´s Speed and I think that´s it. The Shadow Tag candle can also make a number on Stall, has a Spin Blocker, but I think the Jellyfish will do better.
Walling and Stalling on this Generation will mean being able to resist to Choice Hard Hitters, Weather Boosted Suicide Bombers, Setup Sweepers, Stall Breakers or, plain and simple, STAB Outrages, Draco Meteors, EQs, Stone Edges, Hi Jump Kicks/ DynamicPunches, BoltBeams (maybe this time Thunder/Blizzard, with thoose nasty Googles and Wheaters) Fire Blasts and, the biggest weapon against STALL, Taunt. Only the Brave, says the wise man.
That´s it. We have 6 slots to put pokes. Will you waste them on something that does sweeping or walling on an average way (at best, even if unpredictable gimmick) or will you spend your slots with only the selected members of THE LIST of the Strongest sweepers, Most Durable Walls, Nastiest Stall Breakers or Useful Supporters?
Many people had problems with this question, so I will explain myself. In D/P/Pt and in the later HG/SS, some less used OU and lower Tier Pokés received gifts that made them more viable, from a competitive perspective. In this Gen, IMO, and this is just speculation, the only POkés that will be viable are the ones posted. (And let me finish, don´t kill me now)
1 - The Evolving Meta was never about the available or recently discoverd gimmicks, but about Top Tier Pokés that evolved, and, by themselves, changed the Meta. Bullet Punch Sizor or Outrage Mence are examples of that. It was also about Anti Metagame pokes, and think, I said METAgame. The core of Competitive Pokémon has a LOT to do with TormentTran, TyraniBoah, BulKyGyara, offensive Pokés that are made different to addapt and counter the Meta, and make it evolve, another time. We always think is a competitive way, right? If so, are there really any space to gimmicks, outsiders in this competitive realms?
2 - It´s a kind of weird thing to post BORING META!!!! TOO MUCH HYPE!!!! YOU SPECULATE TOO MUCH! I WILL USE WHAT I WANT! when you all go out there, run to the stores and go Wi-Fi or Shoddy Battle with your Ononozuku just to see how it´s like having 147 base Atk, DD, SD and Mold Breaker. Really people, you say NO, but the game WILL be based, like it has been since Gen I, in 15-25 POkés, but this time there is REALLY no space or hope to win a match with something outside the Elite. They are just to powerfull.
3 - Again about the Hype. You gave me the Rhyperior example. The madness about 140 base Atk and Solid Rock. That´s a a Quick Attack from a Pidgey compared to what´s coming. There are powerfull things coming, you will see.
4 - The boosts to frailer pokes have nothing to do and won´t have the same impact. If you think tha now everything as a nice shot on OU, use a CB Blissey. You will see that the Core will be formed and few things outside from it can make you win matches.
This is not a post to make you hate me, just my opinion about an overpowered metagame where few are viable and many are raped, but this IS positive, because the evolution of players, movesets and prediction will make it even better.
Enjoy your Black and White games
The Offensive Department
The Axe-Face Murderer has ALMOST THE SAME ATK of Rayquaza and people ask what kind of teams we will have to prepare for? Listen to this people, this is THE generation that is going to define what niche a Poké has on a team. Things that have average numbers on all the 6 Stats, crappy offensive typing or a BIG problem (let´s see how dominant will SR be) are going to be replaced.
This time, we can´t have a SORT OF sweeper or a SORT OF stall-breaker or a SORT OF offensive lead. We need specialized ATK/Sp ATK pokes that rape teams, with OR WITHOUT a turn of setup.
All time favourites and newcomers will take their spot, but it seems like Mence, Luke, the OMG Blaziken, Doryuzuu, Ononokuzu, Heatran, Scizor, Gyara, Gengar, Sazando, Tyranitar and Dnite will make the bulk of Offense, not counting with Kingdra and Starmie are everywhere! with the RainToed/ Swimming Googles combo. To a lesser extent, we have Metagross (it can blow up, but has a predictable movepool and no Gen V toys to play with, as far as I know), Jolteon and Vire (one has the speed and power and lacks mixed and surprise capabilities, the other his THE Expert Belt Poké but it doesn´t have the stats without a Motor Drive boost but even then it gets easilly walled), Ape (your outclassed, monkey man) Machamp (there´s another No Guard Poke, isn´t it), Heracross, Technician Breloom and The Shadow Tag Candle. Do you see gimmicks having a spot to shine? Will you use them, when you can have the SAME umpredictability with TONS of more power? I think that even Bulky Offense will be much less effective. Offensive Suicune, ZApdos or Togekiss will have more trouble finding the time to get thoose boosts AND take the hits from the sweepers. And I didn´t say that the Good Old same counters from the past won´t be there to spot their sweep, did I?
The Defensive Department
Same goes to walls. Snorlax can´t take a DMeteor in Gen IV. Do you see it taking a Sazando Bomb (just joke, don´t ban me cause I spread rumors about new moves XD) to the face? This is just an example. And if in Sweepers being a one turn or ZERO turn menace is one of the requisites, same goes for walls. People - RELIABLE RECOVERY, GOOD STATS and GOOD TYPING have to be ALL combined. No more RestTalk spam. Yes, maybe that anti-Fighting restTalk Gyara or Torment Tran or (this will probably be durable enough and has Roost) Phaze Zapdos will live to see the sunlight, but now The ONLY and FEW reliable pokés will be Skarm, Blissey, Cresselia WITH Ninetales boosted Moonlight, The Ghost/Water jellyfish, Swampert, Poison Heal Gliscor, Suicune (here, Crocune has HIS spot) the Grass/Steel Forretress, Forretress himself, Tentacruel finally abusing it´s Speed and I think that´s it. The Shadow Tag candle can also make a number on Stall, has a Spin Blocker, but I think the Jellyfish will do better.
Walling and Stalling on this Generation will mean being able to resist to Choice Hard Hitters, Weather Boosted Suicide Bombers, Setup Sweepers, Stall Breakers or, plain and simple, STAB Outrages, Draco Meteors, EQs, Stone Edges, Hi Jump Kicks/ DynamicPunches, BoltBeams (maybe this time Thunder/Blizzard, with thoose nasty Googles and Wheaters) Fire Blasts and, the biggest weapon against STALL, Taunt. Only the Brave, says the wise man.
That´s it. We have 6 slots to put pokes. Will you waste them on something that does sweeping or walling on an average way (at best, even if unpredictable gimmick) or will you spend your slots with only the selected members of THE LIST of the Strongest sweepers, Most Durable Walls, Nastiest Stall Breakers or Useful Supporters?
Many people had problems with this question, so I will explain myself. In D/P/Pt and in the later HG/SS, some less used OU and lower Tier Pokés received gifts that made them more viable, from a competitive perspective. In this Gen, IMO, and this is just speculation, the only POkés that will be viable are the ones posted. (And let me finish, don´t kill me now)
1 - The Evolving Meta was never about the available or recently discoverd gimmicks, but about Top Tier Pokés that evolved, and, by themselves, changed the Meta. Bullet Punch Sizor or Outrage Mence are examples of that. It was also about Anti Metagame pokes, and think, I said METAgame. The core of Competitive Pokémon has a LOT to do with TormentTran, TyraniBoah, BulKyGyara, offensive Pokés that are made different to addapt and counter the Meta, and make it evolve, another time. We always think is a competitive way, right? If so, are there really any space to gimmicks, outsiders in this competitive realms?
2 - It´s a kind of weird thing to post BORING META!!!! TOO MUCH HYPE!!!! YOU SPECULATE TOO MUCH! I WILL USE WHAT I WANT! when you all go out there, run to the stores and go Wi-Fi or Shoddy Battle with your Ononozuku just to see how it´s like having 147 base Atk, DD, SD and Mold Breaker. Really people, you say NO, but the game WILL be based, like it has been since Gen I, in 15-25 POkés, but this time there is REALLY no space or hope to win a match with something outside the Elite. They are just to powerfull.
3 - Again about the Hype. You gave me the Rhyperior example. The madness about 140 base Atk and Solid Rock. That´s a a Quick Attack from a Pidgey compared to what´s coming. There are powerfull things coming, you will see.
4 - The boosts to frailer pokes have nothing to do and won´t have the same impact. If you think tha now everything as a nice shot on OU, use a CB Blissey. You will see that the Core will be formed and few things outside from it can make you win matches.
This is not a post to make you hate me, just my opinion about an overpowered metagame where few are viable and many are raped, but this IS positive, because the evolution of players, movesets and prediction will make it even better.
Enjoy your Black and White games