Oh lord bless this poor soul for all the fallacies it has commited.
And before you personally attack me: I am fully aware of how cocky and dickish this post comes off, it just so happens that when people talk alot without saying much and it's mostly just fallacies and tropes it gets me really riled up.
So we need a good win rate in SPL to ban something besides it being obviously uncompettive since idk, new players wheren't even born LOL
This is a
strawman argument. The point of it having both low usage and unimpressive winrate (not only in spl, also in countless other tournaments) is to point out that it isn't gamebreaking and does not directly link to whether or not it should be banned or not. You are attacking an argument that was never explicitly made.
OF COURSE it has low usage and win rate. SPL players actually play the tier and will not really rely on something that's pure luck except when they're trying to be funny or I don't know "think it's a legitimate strategy" (lol). The win rate will rarely be high because it's totally luck based. You need to not miss the move till everything is on the range of Beam/Blizz/other move.
despite being unreliable, it can make you win without any skill - just like our lovely moves with 30% acc that are banned;
Ok so you are trying to go into the luck vs skill argument without actually fully acknowledging it and that really fires up the neurons. Can we all just please universally accept that Pokemon is a game of variance. Like I am for real, read the sentence "Pokemon is a game of variance" and let it sink in for a moment, because here comes my argument basically consisting of tropes and loaded questions too: Where is the difference between clicking "the move" (wrap) until everything is in the range of Beam/Blizz/other move and clicking "another move" (insert ice beam, body slam, explosion, whatever really) until everything is in the range of Beam/Blizz/other move? Right, if I put it that way there is none but it's a dumb argument because it's simplified down to oblivion where it doesn't even remotely aligns with how games actually play out in practice.
The difference between luck and skill in this game is arbitrary. The better player doesn't always win, deal with it. Why? Because Pokemon is a game of variance. The better player usually wins, that's how you can explain consistency of the top performers. Luck is a factor in every single game and I would actually like to know where the difference between getting a timely hbeam crit, getting a first try freeze, getting a scald burn, getting 5 full paras in a row, getting [...] and actually hitting enough wraps without any response is. Where do you draw the line between actual play and relying "on something that's pure luck". Because I sure won games because of timely crits, freezes, scald burns, full paras, etc before. Games that I should not have won (even though the "should win" argument is dumb too, it pretends like there is some sort of predetermined faith and someone deserves an outcome and most importantly it ignores the fact that Pokemon is a game of variance). What exactly takes skill in having any secondary effect or any occurance of variance happen?
My point is that just like there are games where one player got the lower chance and won the game based on one of the scenarios that I described there will also be games where the wrap player never misses or gets all crits. The difference is that the wrap player often goes into the game with lower chances because, as we determined before, wrap is an inconsistent strategy and will on average win less games than a standard team.
why? because the counterplays are pray for a miss or ~PP COUNT~.
Except that is not true and simplified down again to make you avoid an actual argument.
Does anyone here think it's cool to waste 32 turns switching while taking like 10 SRocks damages without being able to do anything else in return except hope ur opp miss? If someone does, I suggest this person to go see a doc, ur prolly having something really bad in ur life to think it's something cool and needs to work out;
This is an
appeal to emotion and definitely not a real argument fitting for this place.
You can just use big 4, something like Starmie or Kazam and complete with a Wrapmon, ur team can still beat anything if you have a brain and if ur losing being outplayed u can rely on this bullshit to win in the end - your opp can't really say it's a wrapmon in the back, it could be a normal team
And exactly where is the difference between just having a Slowbro, a Lapras, an Electric, a Rock type in the back? Those even have higher win percentages, ironically enough. You don't need to specifically tailor your team to beat a dragonite and if your "normal team" gets to a position where everything is parad and you have not enough health left to beat a dragonite without misses then you would've probably lost that game if the dragonite was a lapras or an electric too. Funny, isn't it?
remember that the PP count can't be wrong or you can't missclick in the last turn otherwise the PPs will reset 8D;
Pretty sure a good rby player is supposed to know the mechanics of the gen really well and how to operate within them. You are listing this as a reason to ban the mechanic just because it's a mechanic you dislike.
Special pleading.
if Smogon is banning Trap Abilities on new gens for taking u the right of doing something basic as switch out
False cause. The difference is that there is actually a gamebreaking (you know, really high win percentage) synergy on stall teams with a trapper.
Things to not ban:
- "it's been here all this time. why change it now? xD" (is this a real arg? the people who play now are mostly people who doesn't even played at the old RBY days on netbattle);
- "i think it is a legitimate strategy, it's your choice to be in that position" (yeah, just like evasion and OHKO moves are as well, you decide you'll have that % of win);
- "the win rate and usage is not that high, so it's probably not that bad XDDD" (okay, should I come back to RBY next SPL and try to win with this shit just to get it banned? I think we could do the same to other tiers, it's a really good policy!!!);
- "i enjoy using/watching it" (OH PLEASE).
This whole section is just a compilation of fictional quotes with some half-ironic responses. This is both a strawman and appealing to emotion and also just lazy as fuck. Jesus christ.
So can't we really ban it asap? Do we have to suspect something like that? Isn't enough putting bo3 only in this gen without a good reason? Can we make some progress here?
Those are some pretty
loaded questions. You imply that the state of rby is horrible right now and that everyone who actually argues for or against this is ruining the tournaments or something.
okay, should I come back to RBY next SPL and try to win with this shit just to get it banned? I think we could do the same to other tiers, it's a really good policy!!!
Floppy tried this before. Guess how it turned out.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge defender of wrap and I think some points against it are actually legit. If you actually think it has value, I stated my opinion on the subject in this thread already. I am just not a big fan of posts like that in a serious discussion thread because they don't contribute anything of value in my opinion. And another friendly word of advice, if you want to be taken seriously don't do any of this:
LOLOF COURSE(lol)~8DChonseyxD!!!(OH PLEASE)
Bless up.