I think people are being too hopeful- Complete Burn will most likely be a Fire-type OHKO and be banned due to the OHKO Clause. Of course, if it isn't... that could be interesting.
:) Spiritomb evo Anyone?Speaking of gods, we need a pokemon based on (okami spoiler) Yami(yes specifically this yami because hes from okami) and the yamata no orochi.
also, how about this for ghost/steel?
More special oriented : More Blissey. I would really like to see that pink blob less often. Only Special move I can think of that can take it out in two shots is a Modest Water Spout off Kyogre with Specs in Rain.Considering Darkrai got the move Dark Void, which is a better accuracy sleep inflicting move that hits both opponents, I could see Complete Burn doing the same thing except with the Burn status. This could make double battles much more oriented in special attacking for doubles (And triples) for whatever tier(Uber) Victini gets placed in.
Thoughts?
Dark Void + Complete Burn wouldn't really make sense if Complete Burn is meant to have a high chance of burning.Dark Void Complete Burn Smeargle to go to Ubers
The way the metagame is now, Uber status is dubious for Victini. Stealth Rock and Pursuit weaknesses alongside the common Rock/Ground/Water weaknesses do not help it, despite it having a few useful resists. Burn is a much less severe and crippling status than Sleep (note the lack of "burn clause"), and I doubt Victory Star is another version of Bad Dreams.Considering Darkrai got the move Dark Void, which is a better accuracy sleep inflicting move that hits both opponents, I could see Complete Burn doing the same thing except with the Burn status. This could make double battles much more oriented in special attacking for doubles (And triples) for whatever tier(Uber) Victini gets placed in.
Thoughts?
Note that this applies only to 6/252 Calm Blissey. Such a specially defensive spread is unlikely to be seen in OU, so there will be other situations where Blissey is 2HKOd by special attacks (SubCMers ftw).Only Special move I can think of that can take it out in two shots is a Modest Water Spout off Kyogre with Specs in Rain.
I think various Mixed Attackers could get the job done in that department. Fire types are immune to the Burn status, so they might rise in use in Victini's tier if it becomes popular enough (And if the move really does what the theory suggests). Ho-oh probably won't be able to recover from Stealth Rock, but the new legendary Reshiram looks hopeful.More special oriented : More Blissey. I would really like to see that pink blob less often. Only Special move I can think of that can take it out in two shots is a Modest Water Spout off Kyogre with Specs in Rain.
But Pursuit can't even 3HKO him and I'm sure people would pack something like HP Fighting or Focus Blast on their Vicktinis for just such a situation, making Scraftar a not-so-surefire counter. You don't switch ScarfTar into Gengar, do you? No, because 98% of them have Focus Blast, expecting you to switch in. Of course I'm just placing Vicktini into todays metagame and giving him a defensive build, so I could be way off base, but Pursuit still isn't that big of a problem since, like I said before, there probably aren't going to be better Pursuiters next gen. However, Rock and Ground weakness are pretty big (although Gyarados gets over his common Electric/Rock weaknesses pretty well).Because despite these being the only three common users (there is the rare Metagross or Snorlax), Tyranitar is so common that it will be a factor more often than not.
Vicktini wouldn't be fast enough to pull it off unless he had a scarf, making him near useless in doubles. Darkrai has Base 125, meaning only scarf users, Ninjask, Crobat, Aerodactly, Mewtwo and Deoxys outspeed him. Vicktini has to worry about all the 101+ Base Speed Pokemon and Speed ties with the other dozens of Base 100's.Considering Darkrai got the move Dark Void, which is a better accuracy sleep inflicting move that hits both opponents, I could see Complete Burn doing the same thing except with the Burn status. This could make double battles much more oriented in special attacking for doubles (And triples) for whatever tier(Uber) Victini gets placed in.
Thoughts?
Fire types are hardly a good response, thanks to Stealth Rock (I sound like a broken record with this, but its true). I'd say bulky waters will remain the norm, as Leftovers lessens the impact of burn and they attack primarily on the special side (except maybe Swampert).I think various Mixed Attackers could get the job done in that department. Fire types are immune to the Burn status, so they might rise in use in Victini's tier if it becomes popular enough (And if the move really does what the theory suggests). Ho-oh probably won't be able to recover from Stealth Rock, but the new legendary Reshiram looks hopeful.
@icyMan28: In the end, I think it'll come down to Victini's movepool as a whole to see which placement it will get. It's certainly possible it won't be up to snuff for Ubers, but if Victini is dubbed too powerful for OU, then I don't think it really matters.
Ah, I was assuming offensive Victini and you were assuming defensive. Regardless, that still leads to an inherent problem. Defensive fire types are garbage (just look at Torkoal and Magcargo), thanks to their SR weaknesses and Ground/Rock/Water weak. Defensive Victini might evade the 2HKO from Pursuit, but that just means it is switching into Rocks later, and, unlike Heatran, it doesn't bring along such a great slew of resistances to counterbalance these negatives. Furthermore, defensive Victini is a slow Victini, so ScarfTar will Stone Edge next time. None of the phantom legends so far even have access to Focus Blast (bar Mew, he's special), so it is resorting to Aura Sphere at best and isn't even guaranteed to have Recover.But Pursuit can't even 3HKO him and I'm sure people would pack something like HP Fighting or Focus Blast on their Vicktinis for just such a situation, making Scraftar a not-so-surefire counter. You don't switch ScarfTar into Gengar, do you? No, because 98% of them have Focus Blast, expecting you to switch in. Of course I'm just placing Vicktini into todays metagame and giving him a defensive build, so I could be way off base, but Pursuit still isn't that big of a problem since, like I said before, there probably aren't going to be better Pursuiters next gen. However, Rock and Ground weakness are pretty big (although Gyarados gets over his common Electric/Rock weaknesses pretty well).
I sure do hope so!Oh, hey, idea.
Pokemon Sunday is supposed to have more information about Viktini this week; they might detail Complete Burn! Well, hopefully.
well it looks similar to blight so maybe...nooo blight is 10 times cooler because hes from okami ;):) Spiritomb evo Anyone?
And i think incantation samuraiWould be a sick idea for Ghost/Steel
Sounds like a sad truth in that department.Vicktini wouldn't be fast enough to pull it off unless he had a scarf, making him near useless in doubles. Darkrai has Base 125, meaning only scarf users, Ninjask, Crobat, Aerodactly, Mewtwo and Deoxys outspeed him. Vicktini has to worry about all the 101+ Base Speed Pokemon and Speed ties with the other dozens of Base 100's.
Long story short: Vicktini is too slow to pull this off, unlike Darkrai.
This would be cool, and not broken. Check, and check. Better than severe burn or anything similar.Personally, I'm hoping Complete Burn is a Special Fire version of Explosion. It wouldn't be as good as Explosion, but it'd still be pretty cool.
Kinda just sounds like a 100% burn move. IE Dark Void.Infernape has no business switching in on Victini unless it runs Stone Edge, not to mention that Complete Burn doesn't sound weak by any means, and Infernape's frailty doesn't help at all. Heatran and bulky waters will get the job done as usual.
Dark Void has 80% accuracy, aka Hydro Pump.Kinda just sounds like a 100% burn move. IE Dark Void.
Ho-oh also boasts a 680 Stat total, with 130 Base attack and base 154 SpD. It can completely rectify its issue with Roost and is almost always run alongside Forretress, not to mention that its base 90 defense is almost irrelevant when accounting for Sacred Fire. The Pursuit weak pokemon have redeeming qualities too.Ubers has a number of Rock (Ho-Oh is quad weak) and Pursuit weak Pokemon so for Victini it would just be a matter of joining the club.
A lot really depends on his movepool and ability.
Lawl who doesnt run wide lens XD /jokeHere's a damage calc just for kicks. It assumes that Complete Burn is a 250 BP Special attack, complete with the side effect of lowering SpD by 2 stages:
328 SpA STAB Complete Burn vs. 252/0 Neutral Blissey: (80.67% - 94.96%)
299 LO STAB Complete Burn vs. 252/0 Neutral Blissey: (95.38% - 112.32%)
This thing has potentially, and it would be utterly epic. Timid LO is probably the better choice.
Dark Void has 80% accuracy, aka Hydro Pump.
If it is that then we should get our counters ready O.eI dunno, the definition definitely hints at Complete Burn being an OHKO move; we already have a lot of high-power fire type moves, both physical and special. Or, GF could go nuts and make CB a special, fire-type Explosion. Then everyone would use it in Doubles alongside Heatran, and...oh my...
This proves various points that people raised, including mine. If this thing could end up causing that much absurd damage, then there's no way this thing will be left in OU. The only possible thing I can think of that can handle this and a Psychic (Other than Tyranitar, but it has the chance of burn, so it won't do jack to it if it can't outspeed via Scarf) is likely Heatran, and I'm sure Victini will be getting Earth Power or Aura Sphere. So that's moot as well.Here's a damage calc just for kicks. It assumes that Complete Burn is a 250 BP Special attack, complete with the side effect of lowering SpD by 2 stages:
328 SpA STAB Complete Burn vs. 252/0 Neutral Blissey: (80.67% - 94.96%)
299 LO STAB Complete Burn vs. 252/0 Neutral Blissey: (95.38% - 112.32%)