Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

So Raikou will probably be Electric Dragon (and I love this design, it reminds me so old yellow dinosaur in my childhood, something like Brontosaurus IIRC)
Drappin will be Grass Dragon
New Bridge Pokemon will probably keep Dragon Steel

So 3 new dragons ? Yay !
I don't think our Robotic Crown will be Dragon, probably Steel Psychic (again ?)
 
So Raikou will probably be Electric Dragon (and I love this design, it reminds me so old yellow dinosaur in my childhood, something like Brontosaurus IIRC)
Drappin will be Grass Dragon
New Bridge Pokemon will probably keep Dragon Steel

So 3 new dragons ? Yay !
I don't think our Robotic Crown will be Dragon, probably Steel Psychic (again ?)
At this point i'm thinking that the 3 Beast paradoxes will be sharing Dragon type, while the 3 Sword of Justice paradoxes will be sharing the Psychic type.

Water / Fire / Electric + Dragon
Grass / Rock / Steel + Psychic

It's an interesting thematic, the past paradoxes using Dragon type is probably based on that ancestral feeling, and them being originally monotypes works nicely adding Dragon to their original type.

I was surprised however when Iron Leaves was revealed to be Psychic / Grass. I was expecting that those would have kept the shared type (Fighting) and changed the other one, but they opted to actually change the Fighting type to Psychic while keeping the other one.

I am moderately interested in the two speculatively unrevealed ones (Entei and Terrakion), as Fire/Dragon and Rock/Psychic are pretty rare typing. (with Fire/Dragon also being one of the best dual types in the game as a Dragon type not weak to Fairy nor Ice and able to hit Steel and Ice supereffectively)
 
I'd be willing to guess that they didn't change the grass/steel/rock because other than Rock becoming ground, nothing else really suits the other two.

Fire/Dragon is definitely a nice typing.
 
At this point i'm thinking that the 3 Beast paradoxes will be sharing Dragon type, while the 3 Sword of Justice paradoxes will be sharing the Psychic type.

Water / Fire / Electric + Dragon
Grass / Rock / Steel + Psychic

It's an interesting thematic, the past paradoxes using Dragon type is probably based on that ancestral feeling, and them being originally monotypes works nicely adding Dragon to their original type.

I was surprised however when Iron Leaves was revealed to be Psychic / Grass. I was expecting that those would have kept the shared type (Fighting) and changed the other one, but they opted to actually change the Fighting type to Psychic while keeping the other one.

I am moderately interested in the two speculatively unrevealed ones (Entei and Terrakion), as Fire/Dragon and Rock/Psychic are pretty rare typing. (with Fire/Dragon also being one of the best dual types in the game as a Dragon type not weak to Fairy nor Ice and able to hit Steel and Ice supereffectively)
If the fusion theory remains true this also means that they can keep the shared type as a unifier and then bring in a new type, as well
 
I'm not ready to fully discount Water as the shared type for the beasts right now, between Hydro Steam and Bolt feeling less draconic than many other Past Paradoxes while playing up a cloud aspect.
 
I just didn't like Raging Bolt model guys. It's not like I said that every model was garbage and the arts are always better lol.

Btw, will the Psychic-type be the one shared between the future paradoxes? I think this is lame, this means all will have Psyblade, while all past paradoxes will probably have new moves stronger in sun.

Maybe it was just the blue details on Iron Crown, and me remembering Crown of Tundra, that gave me Steel/Ice vibes for it.
 
Interesting that Raging Bolt has clear blue eyes (which are VERY apparent in it’s model) unlike every other Past Paradox who have yellow (occasionally accompanied by red) eyes. There’s a 99.9% chance this means absolutely nothing buts it’s an interesting feature to point out.
My assumption for the eye color is because blue is usually associated with electricity alongside yellow, with the mystical eye color making it appear more majestic.
I like analyzing Pokémon design traits too much, I literally just went on a tangent about the funny dinosaur’s eye color.
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Interesting that Raging Bolt has clear blue eyes (which are VERY apparent in it’s model) unlike every other Past Paradox who have yellow (occasionally accompanied by red) eyes. There’s a 99.9% chance this means absolutely nothing buts it’s an interesting feature to point out.
My assumption for the eye color is because blue is usually associated with electricity alongside yellow, with the mystical eye color making it appear more majestic.
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It's potentially notable that Raikou normally has red eyes (as do the other Beasts). It's possible that they wanted to have a change for Bolt but they decided against yellow because the mon is already predominately that colour.
 
I'm not ready to fully discount Water as the shared type for the beasts right now, between Hydro Steam and Bolt feeling less draconic than many other Past Paradoxes while playing up a cloud aspect.
I can see the logic but Hydro Steam basically being pseudo stab regardless of the other 2's preferred weathers (& both thunder and fire will boil water; hell this is probably why Raikou got Scald) also kind of works. And it would feel weird for them to all hook themselves to Suicune's typing, when the musketeers will (hypothetically) hook themselves to a Psychic typing.

Although getting another Water/Fire & Water/Electric would be pretty neat.

e: then again the trio all getting a water move would also be kind of weird while the other trio all get a psychic move, so...guess we'll see!
 
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It's potentially notable that Raikou normally has red eyes (as do the other Beasts). It's possible that they wanted to have a change for Bolt but they decided against yellow because the mon is already predominately that colour.
I've read it theorized they've gone with blue eyes on Raging Bolt as opposed to the feral look of the other past Paradoxes to highlight Raging Bolt's likely being a herbivore. I don't read that much into it personally but it isn't illogical.

I agree with @R N that pretty much sticking Raikou's head onto such a long neck with a pretty lackluster and comparatively small was definitely a strange decision. The fan artist bulbbyboi on Twitter predicted a brontosaurus Raikou months ago and his render felt much more substantial, IMO. I've already mentioned this in the past but I find the /Dragon typing = dinosaur thing to be really uninspired w/r/t to the Paradoxes. The notion of Entei getting Hydro Steam's effect on a Fire type move would be absolutely lol though.


A bit overdesigned relative to Wake, but Raikou always had a bit more going on visually compared to the other two anyway.
 
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I'm not ready to fully discount Water as the shared type for the beasts right now, between Hydro Steam and Bolt feeling less draconic than many other Past Paradoxes while playing up a cloud aspect.
Plot Twist: All 3 are Water/Dragon in GF pulling a revenge for all the "why is Charizard/Gyarados/etc. not a Dragon?!" questions over the years.

Actual talk though I am curious what they'll do with Raging Bolt and Iron Crown as well as the hypothetical 3rd of the trios. Iron Leaves had a fairly vanilla "Signature" move with Psyblade being "not the 'right' type for ET but boosted anyway," but Walking Wake had to take that a step further since Water is actively opposed to the usual past-Paradox Weather. Raging Bolt could maybe go with essentially a 100% Accurate Thunder-in-Sun, but obviously an Entei presents the trickiest one to handle since Fire is already naturally synergistic and Entei already has a "perfect" main Fire STAB in Sacred Fire, if they keep it a Physical Attacker.

I also wouldn't be opposed to giving them different roles to synergize with each other theoretically: Walking Wake breaks the usual Sun-answers thanks to Water STAB into stuff like Fire/Rock types, maybe Bolt could be a fast setter based on "Dry Thunderstorms" (like with a Mini-Max move that does Electric Damage and sets Sun) and disruption to avoid losing Momentum during Sun turns
 

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So now that Duraludon has an evolution, how long will it last in LC once the Indigo Disk drops? I'm betting on 3 seconds at most.
Can't speak for the LC community but if Scyther is anything to go by I don't think Duraludon will be even allowed one second into LC given how obviously overpowered it would be. Like it doesn't even need any time of playtesting for that to be obvious.

It'll probably be banned by default and placed in the NFE/untiered lot to start like most middle stage Pokemon, before ultimately rising to a higher usage based tier in one month.
 
So now that Duraludon has an evolution, how long will it last in LC once the Indigo Disk drops? I'm betting on 3 seconds at most.
Can't speak for the LC community but if Scyther is anything to go by I don't think Duraludon will be even allowed one second into LC given how obviously overpowered it would be. Like it doesn't even need any time of playtesting for that to be obvious.

It'll probably be banned by default and placed in the NFE/untiered lot to start like most middle stage Pokemon, before ultimately rising to a higher usage based tier in one month.
from what I remind, they did give Girafarig and Dunsparce a chance and uuuh iirc they didn't last more than 3 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't bother and qb it right away
 
Some extended thoughts on various aspects of the reveal:

New mons:

New mons are my favorite part of a new generation, and I love that USUM started introducing entirely new mons, not just forms, in third versions and it continued with DLC. I am also very glad that we're getting at least a couple of non-legendary mons, and I hope there's a few more to be revealed. (For this purpose I will count Iron Crown and Raging Bolt as legendary!). I plan on running through the DLC stories with new teams for each, just like how I used different teams for each of the main stories, so hopefully there are some super cool new mons to use. That said...

Dipplin:
Dipplin in game


I appreciate the concept, and it's definitely a curveball, which is cool, but it's not something I currently see myself using on an in-game team. Certainly is curious that they mention two worms being in the apple...

Archaludon:

Official art of Archaludon

Also very unexpected and therefore neat, and while at first glance it looked like it could be cool, after seeing more of Archaludon it became clear that it does not solve the fundamental problem that Duraludon has, which is that it just looks so incredibly stupid when it does its attack pose:
Archaludon looking like a staple remover
Archaludon looking like a very dumb bridge

What is this nonsense? I appreciate certain ridiculousnesses that some mons bring to the franchise, but this is not it. It just looks so dumb. I get it, it looks like a bridge, but couldn't they have made it look cooler somehow? Centiskorch pulled off looking like a radiator pretty naturally, why can't they make this line work?

Given that Archaludon gets a signature move that's electric-type, it make me wonder if it will get a special electric type terastal form like Ogrepon has.

In any event, probably not going to make it onto an in-game team.

Iron Crown:

in-game screenshot of Iron Crown

At first I thought this looked pretty sweet, but then the art was revealed and it turned out that its awesome antlers are just lasers, like Iron Leaves' neck blades, which is a bit less cool. Overall its ok, but it still feels like Scarlet paradoxes got the better designs. I would maybe use it on an in-game team if it can be acquired earlier enough in the story (and if through raids like Iron Leaves).

Raging Bolt:

Official art of Raging Bolt


Of the new mons revealed yesterday, I like this one the most. I do wish its head looked more different from Raikou's head... like maybe give it a beak or something more dinosaury to not just look like Raikou with a long neck, but otherwise I dig it. I like how Raikou's lightning tail got redesigned into the frills along Raging Bolt's back. In contrast to Iron Crown, I thought the art made Raging Bolt look better than the in-game scene, though maybe because it covered up RB's face. I will consider using this on my in-game team, though it will depend on the other available options.

Terastalized Ogrepon:
terastalized ogrepon


Uhhh... I was not expecting a special terastalized form to just be Ogrepon holding a really big version of its mask... Would have liked something more interesting looking, but maybe it's not all there is to the form. I guess it has kind of a studio Ghibli giant head vibe to it...

Otherwise, Ogrepon itself is something I would use on my in-game team if available in a Kubfu-like fashion, but I'm guessing catching it will be the end of DLC part 1.

Terapagos forms:
normal form terapagos
terastal form terapagos


Not a new reveal except that we got confirmation baby Terapagos is really the normal form and big Terapagos is the terastal form, which as I mentioned in an earlier post does not bode well for the much cooler form making it out of gen 9. Otherwise, Terastal form Terapagos is still the best design of the DLC mons. I hope that normal form is available early in Indigo disk, and if so I may just use it on my team. (I sure hope it is not as useless as its flavor text makes it sound, though).

The loyal three:
Fezandipti using Moonblast
Munkidori using a psychic move
Okidogi using Giga impact or maybe Meteor Assault

Even though these aren't new reveals, people have been speculating that the moves they used in the trailer are hints at their types. The wrench in this theory is that Okidogi looks like it's using Giga Impact, which would suggest normal, but this is not one of the types on the Teal Mask key art:
Key art of the Teal Mask showing lanterns with type symbols on them. Not all 18 types appear.

I fully expect that the types of the loyal 3, and Ogrepon, correspond to the types on the lanterns in this image. If Okidogi is actually using Meteor Assault, which as also been speculated, then it could hint at Poison/Fighting for Okidogi, Poison/Psychic for Munkidori, and Poison/Fairy for Fezandipiti. While I would kind of like Fezandipiti to be Poison/Fighting, just so that we get yet another fighting-type bird, I will happily take these types if it means Munkidori stays the hell away from the Ghost type. Please don't let Munkidori be part ghost. Pleeeeease GameFreak. On that note, if we're speculating types based on moves they use in the trailers, it should be noted that they have also been shown using dark, ghost, and flying moves:

Twitter user @UltGlitchFinder showing screenshots of Okidogi using payback, Munkidori using Shadow Ball, and Fezandipiti using air slash


Dark and flying are not on the lanterns, so hopefully Munkidori using shadow ball is just because psychic types often have shadow ball...

Depending on Okidogi or Fezandipti's types, and whether we catch them early enough in Teal Mask, I might use one on my in-game team.

Other assorted things:

BB League Elite Four:
BB league elite four

It sure looks like this Elite four is going to have at least 2/4 type overlap with the Paldea E4. Amarys has her hair done up in screws, so she has to be steel, which means Drayton's gotta be dragon. I wouldn't be surprised if Lacey is ground, giving 3/4 overlap; her Japanese name apparently refers to Taro root, though I guess that could also be an indicator for grass. Crispin gotta be fire, though, surely. He looks it and it showed a Magmortar right after a shot of him on the battlefield.

Maybe GF will throw us a curve-ball for once and this E4 won't just be single-type specialists, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Club room:
Grass type club room
Fairy type club room

The trailer made it sound like we might have some freedom in decorating the club room, but from the look of the rooms they showed I will be pleasantly surprised if we get to do more than just pick a theme based on one of the types.

Perrin, photography quests, & the Timeless Woods:
Screenshot of Perrin saying she wants to photograph a certain Pokemon

I think it's cool that there will be some photography mini-games in the DLC, kind of like an off-rails (but presumably much more limited) Pokemon Snap. (The balloon mini-game is less interesting to me).

Perrin, descendent of Adaman, worshipper of Dialga, lord of time, wants to take a picture of some Pokemon in the Timeless Woods. While this could be a new Pokemon yet to be revealed, it also feels like it could be Celebi, another time-travelling Pokemon that would fit in well in a region that seems to have a lot of Johto mons in it. The last few games have made several mythicals available in-game (mosty through save-data gifts, but Keldeo was freely available in Crown Tundra), and Celebi has yet to receive this treatment in 3d...

Mass outbreaks:
Screenshot of Clefairy outbreak

I'm guessing these outbreaks will have fewer individuals in them compared to regular outbreaks, so that if you're farming shinies or the boosted mark you'll actually have to jump from one outbreak site to the next. It's nice that these will provide a means for players who don't have the DLC to get some newly added mons.

Closing thought for now: although we got all this news three days before the World Championships, I wouldn't be surprised if we get another competitively relevant reveal at the opening or closing ceremony. If there are terastal forms beyond Ogrepon's, maybe we'll get a reveal of that then.
 

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from what I remind, they did give Girafarig and Dunsparce a chance and uuuh iirc they didn't last more than 3 months.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just don't bother and qb it right away
Girafarig doesn't have a single stat above 90 and Dunsparce's only stat above 70 is it's HP. Duraludon has 70 HP, 120 Special Attack, 95 Attack, 85 Speed, and 115 Defense, it's only bad stat is Special Defense (which isn't really an issue for a Pokemon whose only weaknesses are Ground and Fighting).
I wouldn't be surprised if Lacey is ground, giving 3/4 overlap; her Japanese name apparently refers to Taro root, though I guess that could also be an indicator for grass.
Looks more like Psychic or Fairy to me. Maybe Flying or Ghost if her coat is supposed to evoke Sensu Oricorio.
The last few games have made several mythicals available in-game (mosty through save-data gifts, but Keldeo was freely available in Crown Tundra), and Celebi has yet to receive this treatment...
Yes it has? VC Crystal.
 
Ms. Briar is a teacher at Blueberry Academy and is in charge of the school trip you’ll be embarking on. She’ll visit your academy in the Paldea region to meet you before setting out. Briar has an extremely inquisitive disposition and shows a keen interest in the Terastal phenomenon.
So Briar's interested in Terastalization and she's probably related to Brassius (similar hair, even the names feel similar), and will be part of the DLC that involves the probably-grass-type Ogrepon with a special terastal form

Wonder if that's just them being cute about the character who is probably going to exposit a lot, or if she might wind up being more involved than the trailer lets on
 
I just noticed that Duraludon has better bulk than Tangela. I also believe it would have the highest SpA of all of LC.
Also here is what Duraludon does to the specially bulkiest Pokemon in the tier
196+ SpA Choice Specs Duraludon Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 156 HP / 236+ SpD Munchlax: 38-46 (118.7 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed KO in 2 turns
This thing would be a Mega Rayquaza of LC if LC ubers had enough bans to justify a meta.
 


Briar's coat is fashioned after the Scarlet/Violet book. That tracks with her interest in terastalization, but the really interesting part is that its based on both. You can see Miraidon's wheel corner & thunder on one side and Koraidon's on the other.
Even the other side's dex entries don't know what the box legend is (where as the other paradoxes are at least written about in their respective universe's tabloids and fiction journals), with the only other reference being on their Pokedex "artwork". Wonder if things might get even weirder once we go back to Area Zero
 

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It just struck me after a day or so of thinking about it, but it seems this DLC from a story/campaign structure will parallel SwSh in a way, in terms of what the parts do and how they add to the overall story.

As expected the Teal Mask is accessible as soon as you start the Treasure Hunt, which is like how the Isle of Armor was situated, and as such is a "side campaign" intended to be slotted into the main experience like IoA, adding to the original story in a way with the Kitakami festivals and whatnot akin to IoA's Master Dojo training.

The Indigo Disk is like Crown Tundra, intended for postgame, only this time it's now hardlocked to having completed both DLC 1 and the main campaign (even though Crown Tundra was always intended as postgame content anyway). There's less of a "story" going on with the campaign, but it's a post-game quest all the same with a finale that ultimately loops back to the mainland region for the grand finale. In CT's case that was the Galarian Star Tournament, in SV's case it seems to be a grand finale with Area Zero and Terapagos. And as for the "campaign" it seems this time it will be the BB Elite Four and their "tests" and battling them, as opposed to Galar's Crown Tundra where it was a legendary hunt expedition where you caught a bunch of legendaries.

But overall the structure is similar. Since Area Zero was the finale of SV's story, like how the Champion Cup and beating Leon was the finale of SwSh's story, it seems the final part of the DLC likewise loops back to Area Zero for the finale, much like how with SwSh it looped back to Wyndon Stadium for the big tag battle tournament.
 
Not a new reveal except that we got confirmation baby Terapagos is really the normal form and big Terapagos is the terastal form, which as I mentioned in an earlier post does not bode well for the much cooler form making it out of gen 9.
Though as noted on the previous page of this thread, Terapagos’s Terastal Form may not be the same concept as Ogerpon’s, which on the official site is formally referred to as its “Terastallized State.”

I’m kind of thinking that “Terastal Form” is just the name of that form for flavor/lore reasons (as Terapagos is obviously key to the Terastal phenomenon), but that the Terastal Form may in turn have its own Terastallized State (which is what I expect Gen 10 would send to the graveyard). After all, Terastal Form Terapagos doesn’t have the same crystalline film all over its body that one sees when a Pokémon has Terastallized.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lacey is ground, giving 3/4 overlap; her Japanese name apparently refers to Taro root, though I guess that could also be an indicator for grass.
I’d guess that Lacey is a Fairy specialist, since her hair clips are styled like elf ears (plus there’s her pink color scheme).
 

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