I'm glad I got back from the boonies when I did, otherwise I'd miss the opportunity to agree to the 5-way tie. Game seems double icky with the substitute shenanigans, and I don't want to force y'all into a game that you don't want to play. I do really enjoy playing diplomacy, and if we can get another game going around the holiday season, or a series of real time games goin?? I think what happened is a shame, and we should've probably listened to the rules we established (no subs post 1901, hard deadlines) even if it meant a turkey NMR for a few cycles (would've forced France to either cannibalize or continue in a weakened state). I really do think this was a lot of fun, and i hope nobody carries anything personal out of this game (except France /s) and we can play again with no grudges, except maybe the knowledge that some people are more conniving and soulless than others.