SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[VannAccessible]

Anyone have thoughts on whether Paradox Mons should violate the species clause when partnered with their original counterparts? For example, should Tyranitar and Iron Thorns be allowed on the same team?

Honestly I think they should be allowed allowed together, as it seems like they’re clearly being treated as entirely separate entities. Different names, different dex entries…

Not unlike the Diglet/Wiglet and Tentacool/Toedscool lines.

 

[Mr. Uno]

Iron Hands is being glossed over a lot but it looks like it has serious OU staple potential. Huge Melmetal-esque bulk and power, amazing offensive typing, stab drain punch for longevity, and volt switch for pivoting. Amazing offensive movepool too.

This one kinda disappointed me, only because I'm obsessed with ho mons n I thought it was gonna share Hariyama's egg moves (particularly bullet punch and feint). I feel like normal Hariyama kinda outclasses it in this department - and it even gets headlong rush for the eventual cckblock that is unaware Skeledirge. Otherwise, Id still run Iron Hands just cuz we FINALLY have an electric/fighting mon. He's clearly pawmot's bigger brother.

 

[Perriechu]

Anyone have thoughts on whether Paradox Mons should violate the species clause when partnered with their original counterparts? For example, should Tyranitar and Iron Thorns be allowed on the same team?

Honestly I think they should be allowed allowed together, as it seems like they’re clearly being treated as entirely separate entities. Different names, different dex entries…

Not unlike the Diglet/Wiglet and Tentacool/Toedscool lines.

I think having them together is fine as they are completely different Pokémon.

(I do think a potential paradox clause should be created though to stop teams from being stacked with them)

 

[Garance]

SD Banette would be cool if it got actual Ghost STAB but I guess not (for now at least who knows what DLC will bring).

Hm.... Poltergeist + Shadow Sneak ?

 

[shadowpea]

do paradoxes get the standard form's moves?

 

[LucarioMega]

Anybody playing the game has Pawmot? Leak says it evolves after taking 1000 steps in lets go/free battle mode, but i have being walking for 5 hours and then leveling up and nothing.

 

[The N@me User]

On the doc.

Yeah I just saw the buffs and nerfs thread a few minutes ago, that's what I was looking for (thanks btw!)

 

[Shujinkō]

Speaking of the first post, the link to the story spoilers thread should probably be deleted like the thread was.

 

[R_N]

Anyone have thoughts on whether Paradox Mons should violate the species clause when partnered with their original counterparts? For example, should Tyranitar and Iron Thorns be allowed on the same team?

Honestly I think they should be allowed allowed together, as it seems like they’re clearly being treated as entirely separate entities. Different names, different dex entries…

Not unlike the Diglet/Wiglet and Tentacool/Toedscool lines.

There's no thoughts to have because, no matter how much i will grouse about it conceptually, they are their own species

 

[Perriechu]

Speaking of the first post, the link to the story spoilers thread should probably be deleted like the thread was.

The thread is coming back closer to the time. I think it was archived rather than deleted. Mods stated it in the thread (which is now gone lol) but I believe it’ll be back near the release.

 

[TyDev]

Not to mention that Loaded Dice is a thing.

The lowest chain-linking moves are 15 BP. If Population Bomb hits 10 times, it'd be 150 BP. If it's 10 BP and hits 10 times, it'd be 100 BP.

Now, just assuming it's the former, and that it's used Tidy Up once:

+1 252 Atk Raticate Hyper Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 136-162 (44.7 - 53.2%) -- 31.3% chance to 2HKO

This thing has the tools to do what Tinkaton wishes it could, making a base 75 Attack Stat actually work. Of course, this is dependant on Population Bomb being 15 BP, and I haven't caught up yet, so we'll see.

It also gets Technician, so. Mouse might hurt a bit.

 

[R_N]

I'm still interested in seeing if Population Bomb's chances to hit are skewed based on if its 3 mice form or 4 mice.

Like, hey! More population! you know what i mean?

 

[transwiththeplans]

How does my boy Wugtrio shape up in this metagame

 

[Personwhoisrandom]

On the naming thing, I'm not personally a huge fan of 'Paradox X' for a few reasons:
1. There's no mention of it in official capacity

You're right Paradox + (Original Pokemon Name) isn't an official term but I think calling it Paradox Amoongus or Brute Bonnet is perfectly understandable

 

[VannAccessible]

How does my boy Wugtrio shape up in this metagame

Seems like a fast frail water type, similarly to how Dugtrio is a fast frail ground type.

So probably not all that great, given than Dugtrio has no OU niche (without a broken trapping ability).

It’s sad because it’s a cutie!

 

[Dive Missile]

do paradoxes get the standard form's moves?

no, i just checked flutter wind vs mismagius/misdreavus for reference and the former learns a lot less tms, most notably nasty plot. seems like they're all separate mons with separate learnsets

 

[Ironmage]

I was unaware of the category name. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[R_N]

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So all the Paradoxes get listed in their respective book with a more dex-like description right? It's not just the "major" ones?

Because man how lame would it be for most of them to have a dex entry like that.

 

[pokemon4eva]

Apparently the game is full of bugs / glitches and frame drops. Worse than Arcues. With patch 1.0.1 it improves a little.

I hope another patch comes out in time.

 

[The N@me User]

It also gets Technician, so. Mouse might hurt a bit.

Yeah I noticed that after I posted, lol. With Technician, 10 BP per hit does the calc that I posted.

15 BP turns into:

+1 252 Atk Raticate Hyper Fang vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 199-235 (65.4 - 77.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Could honestly see it in RU+, considering Super Fang annoys any resists that would want to switch in, and recovery moves are nerfed.

 

[Fusion Flare]

I’d ask if the items have been leaked, but i just know in my heart of hearts that there is no thick club for tinkaton

How does my boy Wugtrio shape up in this metagame

honestly probably not good. if dugtrio cant do it without an ability, then neither can wugtrio, which by the way, is an absolutely boring name. wigglet was funny, and fellow convergentmon toedscool/toedscruel at least had interesting names. this one’s just. wugtrio.

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You're right Paradox + (Original Pokemon Name) isn't an official term but I think calling it Paradox Amoongus or Brute Bonnet is perfectly understandable

i hope these dex entries aren’t just “wow this pokemon is just like the one in the book” that would be so anticlimactic

 

[Sirya]

No one is going to call them Roaring Moon or Brute Bonnet, those things are P-Amoonguss and P-Mence.

 

[Cuddly]

Anyone know if Eviolite is “fixed” this gen? fixed as in works with Meltan and Body Press. Confuses the hell out of me still that Body Press works with Choice Band and not Eviolite.

 

[Superjustinbros]

I ended up head-cannoning the names of the Paradox forms from the very first leak that was making the rounds on Twitter (i.e. Bigglyruff for Scream Tail, Stalagneton for Sandy Shocks, Harissage for Iron Hands, Mechanitar for Iron Thorns), though I don't know if Koraidonphan and Miraridonphan for the Donphan Paradoxes sounds too gimmicky or is too large to give as nicknames (which is also the case for Ungaboonguss for Brute Bonnet).

 

[TheMantyke]

No one is going to call them Roaring Moon or Brute Bonnet, those things are P-Amoonguss and P-Mence.

Honestly shout outs to that fake leak for its inventiveness compared to the clunky descriptor official names. I will forever call Brute Bonnett “Ungaboonguss” because it’s a downright inspired name.