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please don't delete these posts or infract the users posting them, staff. this is the community policing itself at its finest. the people in question are being told what they need to hear. justfranco, please reconsider your decision and attempt to reschedule or play now if at all possible. you're gonna do a lot more harm than good in the long term as far as your time on smogon is concerned with moves like these.
as a sidenote, i'm taking back any bad thing i've ever said about quite quiet.
as a sidenote, i'm taking back any bad thing i've ever said about quite quiet.
Let's tone down the drama a bit. I don't like cases as such either but going the other way is just as bad if not more. If you give people more time, the good ones that are stuck on traffic gets spared. However the nasty troublemakers will show up 1h+ late every time and abuse it however they can, resulting in other people with shit to do irl losing their time they saved to play for nothing. There isn't a real solution and it's kinda dreadful to see people outraged as if it's a black and white problem. Every little concession you give to someone who wants to get the game done is also a concession you give to a shithead who didn't bother. In the end what's at stake is a pokemon tournament's L, so let's not act as if someone was shooted in cold blood tonight.
as it stands the rules state that after 15 minutes have passed, one has the right to claim an activity win, this time is extended to 30 minutes if the opponent communicates a delay. The problem is for various reasons someone may not be able to give notice of a delay.
15 minutes is not a long time to wait, a bo3 series can take more than an hour to play which you have to be ready for. had Insult showed up at the 32nd minute instead of the 17th I think we would find it more justified (unfortunate since it's olt playoffs, but more fair). It sucks that someone could waste 25 minutes of your time but it sucks more that someone who is only 17 minutes late due to factors out of their control can be kicked out of a tournament.
tldr: make the standard waiting time 30 minutes instead of 15, it isn't perfect but if you can't wait for more than 15 minutes you probably can't play a bo3
15 minutes is not a long time to wait, a bo3 series can take more than an hour to play which you have to be ready for. had Insult showed up at the 32nd minute instead of the 17th I think we would find it more justified (unfortunate since it's olt playoffs, but more fair). It sucks that someone could waste 25 minutes of your time but it sucks more that someone who is only 17 minutes late due to factors out of their control can be kicked out of a tournament.
tldr: make the standard waiting time 30 minutes instead of 15, it isn't perfect but if you can't wait for more than 15 minutes you probably can't play a bo3
insulting users who follow the rules instead of advocating for better rules is so backwards.
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maybe not the best way around it but simple fix w/o commenting on current situation (this will inevitably spin off into a pr thread but whatever):
act rules for standard rounds of cups/seasonals/whatever: 15 minutes no show = gone
act rules for playoff phases: 30 minutes no show = gone
15 minutes has proven time and time again to be too low when it comes to playoff phases that people put tons of work into to get to, but if you're making your opponent wait a whole half hour w/o any communication its kinda on you. team tours have different rules rn because once it gets to a point where it's taken more seriously (which team tours are) it becomes more important to get the games done than anything else, playoff phases should have the same logic applied
act rules for standard rounds of cups/seasonals/whatever: 15 minutes no show = gone
act rules for playoff phases: 30 minutes no show = gone
15 minutes has proven time and time again to be too low when it comes to playoff phases that people put tons of work into to get to, but if you're making your opponent wait a whole half hour w/o any communication its kinda on you. team tours have different rules rn because once it gets to a point where it's taken more seriously (which team tours are) it becomes more important to get the games done than anything else, playoff phases should have the same logic applied
Couldn’t agree more. There shouldn’t have a difference between playoffs games and team tours games.
I hope the TDs will do the right thing and not promote such a bad man sportship. Pretty they would never ever give Justfranco the wins if this was the finals, so why would they do it in Top 16 ?
If you take the win JustFranco , this will get back to you sooner or later, be sure about it.
Most of us here are latinos and what will we do if our internet goes down and we can't write to our opponent?
me when the guy who claimed act is a latino
Don't listen to the haters JustFranco, you got this one in the bag. Let's fucking go! That'll show him for attempting to waste your precious time.
is it really unjust to call act on someone who missed a scheduled time due to their own negligence? All these sanctimonious posts are so ridiculous,
what is he supposed to do? He did everything right, he scheduled early, he messaged at the scheduled time, and he waited 15 minutes just like the rules say. Is he supposed to wait for 30 minutes because that's the rule for a different tournament? If so, then that should be in the rules for this tournament. It is not immoral to value your own time
ok i had logged out as soon as i made the post so didnt see the window was so tight and honestly if i cant win top 16 w games im sure as hell not winning the trophy so yeah ill play the game either today or monday no act (altho it sure is crazy getting insulted by mods for following the rules they themselves enforce ill say that much)
Y'all are crazy lmao.
In an official trophy tournament, it should be the job of the tournament directors to do everything in their power to force the game to happen if the players in communication are bozos and somehow cannot uphold the documented scheduled time (Merritt i understand that's usually your goal to begin with ). An activity win is simply unacceptable at this level.
But here's a take - official tournaments like OLT represent the highest level of achievement possible in this hobby. Activity wins at this level shouldn't even be an option. Let's get rid of those in its entirety once you hit a certain stage of an official (top 32?, 16?) unless extreme circumstances occur of course.
In an official trophy tournament, it should be the job of the tournament directors to do everything in their power to force the game to happen if the players in communication are bozos and somehow cannot uphold the documented scheduled time (Merritt i understand that's usually your goal to begin with ). An activity win is simply unacceptable at this level.
But here's a take - official tournaments like OLT represent the highest level of achievement possible in this hobby. Activity wins at this level shouldn't even be an option. Let's get rid of those in its entirety once you hit a certain stage of an official (top 32?, 16?) unless extreme circumstances occur of course.
won vs justfranco ggs, ty for coming back to play
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people clowning justfranco but like its not his fault his oppo missed the time. yall just clowning him to clown him because everyone else is doing it. shit kinda sad that a MOD (quitequiet) is clowning him too
