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Seconding this.Non nasty plot sets get hardwalled by sableye and mandibuzz. It can be scary though because it can hit on both sides and taunt passive non dark types like clefable. It has paper thin physical defense so talon sicizor and shedinja can murder it. Overall a bit restricting bit hard walled by certain things. It also sees pathetic usage so it isn't really a threat to stall.
Sableye is 2HKO'd by Dark Pulse (and a few run t-bolt), but are best answer to the forms of Hoopa so far are the quick birds such as Talonflame and Tornadous-T. Neither of the mentioned birds take a hit well, but they can out-speed/out-prioritize it and deal with it with Brave Bird, and U-Turn. Scizor can also check itNon nasty plot sets get hardwalled by sableye and mandibuzz. It can be scary though because it can hit on both sides and taunt passive non dark types like clefable. It has paper thin physical defense so talon sicizor and shedinja can murder it. Overall a bit restricting bit hard walled by certain things. It also sees pathetic usage so it isn't really a threat to stall.
Fair enough. I wrote the entire thing assuming that you could alternate between Substitute and Spiky Shield.Bounce isn't really a big deal if you run Spiky Shield which I think is generally more annoying to deal with than dual STAB variants anyway. Just Spiky Shield on the 2nd turn of Bounce and profit.
Amoonguss is a pretty solid check if M-Gyara has already mega evolved, but otherwise I think it's only got a very small chance to break subs on regular form. Since Gyarados often utilizes its pre-mega form for setup opportunities, Amoonguss isn't the most reliable check until after it has mega'd. Also I saw someone mentioned Gourgeist but Crunch kinda bops that
Pre-Mega Gyrados resists both or these pokemon. Also Mold Breaker ignores Water Absorb.MGyara is really hard to switch in on simply because its STABs just rip so many things apart while Mold Breaker stops stuff like MSab from safely crippling it.
An interesting stop to non-Bounce vars that I've used on a few semistall teams is RestTalk Keldeo, as it resists both STABs and can severely dent it with Secret Sword.
Poliwrath is also sweet on full stall in that itheals off of its Waterfalls, resists both Crunch and Ice Fang and can phaze it with Circle Throw. The only thing it needs to watch out for is Earthquake (Circle Throw breaks Subs), although it needs multiple boosts (and Poli doesn't really let it get those with Circle Throw). Hell, if I'm feeling unusually real I'll sometimes switch out Sleep Talk for Protect to counterteam Bounce variants.
Chesnaught is probably my favourite solution. I'm not sure if it's the perfect solution if Breloom does a Swords Dance when you switch in given it takes up to ~65% from Facade...but it works so well against the standard set that I would be fine running the risk.2.Unaware Clefable,chesnaught, and Amoongus can deal with it.
Just a quick question. I liked this team in theory and wanted to give it a try, but quickly in my first game I found opposing Calm Mind M-Sableye to be a problem. What's the recommended course of action against it? Switch to Quagsire and wear it down with Scald waiting for a burn? That's what I tried and was naturally ineffective because of CM M-Sableye's own Will-O-Wisp.ABR Stall #The Devil
This team is designed around Gothitelle, which has many crucial uses for stall teams. Gothitelle provides a means of handling Manaphy, taunt Heatran, Heracross, and a myriad of other pokemon that stall otherwise cannot handle. Mega Sableye is the staple for stall teams, due its nature as a win condition and a way of preventing opposing hazards. Skarmory and Chansey are also staple mons on stall, as they cover each side of the defensive spectrum very well. Quagsire is a necessity on most stall teams but on Goth stall especially, because Goth allows free setup for many pokemon like Bisharp and Scizor. Quagsire also acts as a safety net against a lot of uncommon sweepers like SD Lando-T. Lastly, Amoonguss is a water resist and counter to many Fairy type pokemon. It greatly aids in checking Azumarill, Keldeo, Gyarados, Clefable, and more. - Thanks to ABR for providing this one.
Sableye (M) @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 80 Def / 180 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
Gothitelle (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 128 HP / 128 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Trick
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave
- Rest
Skarmory (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Whirlwind
- Defog
- Roost
Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Seismic Toss
- Heal Bell
- Soft-Boiled
Quagsire (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Recover
Amoonguss (M) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 192 Def / 68 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Giga Drain
- Clear Smog
- Sludge Bomb
- Spore