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Pet Mod SylveMons (Discussion Phase)
- Thread starter Reviloja753
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Movez: Shadow Sky (Regimaster57), Hyper Beams & Astonish (AquaticPanic), Double Hits & Giga Drain clones(this loser), Fire Lash (Yoshiblaze).
Abilities: Shadow Surge & Lurker (Regimaster 57), Gayle Wings (AquaticPanic), Iron Fist (Dilasc), Liquid Voice (Yoshiblaze), Mega Launcher (myself).
Items: Signature items, Ring Target & Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic), Shadow Rock (Regimaster57), Demolition Bomb (Sereg), Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze).
Type Changes: XurkiTREE, Serperior & Glalie (AquaticPanic), Comfey (Sereg), Gorebyss & Huntail (Yoshiblaze).
Abilities: Shadow Surge & Lurker (Regimaster 57), Ga
Items: Signature items, Ring Target & Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic), Shadow Rock (Regimaster57), Demolition Bomb (Sereg), Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze).
Type Changes: XurkiTREE, Serperior & Glalie (AquaticPanic), Comfey (Sereg), Gorebyss & Huntail (Yoshiblaze).
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Moves: Shadow Sky (Regimaster57), Hot Tag (Yoshiblaze), All-Terrain Blast (Yoshiblaze), Seed Bomb (Dilasc), Astonish (Aquatic Panic), Belch (Stitch98)
Abilities: Shadow Surge (Regimaster57), Liquid Voice (Yoshiblaze), Thick Fat (Gojiratar), Vindictive (Stitch98), Magical Aura (Yoshiblaze), Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Items: All Signature Items (Aquatic Panic), Shadow Rock (Regimaster57), Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze), Graduation Scale (Aquatic Panic), Ring Target (Aquatic Panic), Type Clutcher (Aquatic Panic)
Type Changes: (Mega-)Mawile (Gojiratar), Serperior (Aquatic Panic), (Mega-)Glalie (Aquatic Panic), Xurkitree (Aquatic Panic), Parasect (Aquatic Panic), Vespiqueen (Ludicrosity)
Abilities: Shadow Surge (Regimaster57), Liquid Voice (Yoshiblaze), Thick Fat (Gojiratar), Vindictive (Stitch98), Magical Aura (Yoshiblaze), Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Items: All Signature Items (Aquatic Panic), Shadow Rock (Regimaster57), Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze), Graduation Scale (Aquatic Panic), Ring Target (Aquatic Panic), Type Clutcher (Aquatic Panic)
Type Changes: (Mega-)Mawile (Gojiratar), Serperior (Aquatic Panic), (Mega-)Glalie (Aquatic Panic), Xurkitree (Aquatic Panic), Parasect (Aquatic Panic), Vespiqueen (Ludicrosity)
Moves: Shadow Sky (me), Reverberate (Sereg), Noble Roar (Dilasc), Belch (Stitch98), Seed Bomb (Dilsac)
Abilities: Shadow Surge (me), Spiritual Jnana (Ludicrousity), Blundergaurd (Dilasc), Thick Fat (Gojiratar)
Items: Shadow Rock (me), All signature items (AquaticPanic), Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic), Glue (Sereg), Demolition Bomb (Sereg)
Type Changes: (Mega) Glalie (AquaticPanic), Servine/Serperior (AquaticPanic), (Mega) Mawile (Gojiratar), Parasect (AquaticPanic)
Abilities: Shadow Surge (me), Spiritual Jnana (Ludicrousity), Blundergaurd (Dilasc), Thick Fat (Gojiratar)
Items: Shadow Rock (me), All signature items (AquaticPanic), Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic), Glue (Sereg), Demolition Bomb (Sereg)
Type Changes: (Mega) Glalie (AquaticPanic), Servine/Serperior (AquaticPanic), (Mega) Mawile (Gojiratar), Parasect (AquaticPanic)
Moves
Astonish (AquaticPanic)
Seed Bomb (Dilasc)
Round (Gojiratar)
Double-Hit (Gojiratar)
Fire Lash (Yoshiblaze)
All-Terrain Blast (Yoshiblaze)
Items
Signature items (AquaticPanic)
Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic)
Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze)
Shadow Rock (Regimaster57)
Eggshells (Sereg)
Demolition Bomb (Sereg)
Abilities
Gale Wings (AquaticPanic)
Shadow Sky (Regimaster57)
Spiritual Jnana (Ludicrousity)
Thick Fat(Gojiratar)
Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Magic Aura (Yoshiblaze)
Type Changes
Parasect (AquaticPanic)
Xurkitree (AquaticPanic)
Vespiquen (Ludicrousity)
Mawile (Gojiratar)
Gorebyss (Yoshiblaze)
Huntail (Yoshiblaze)
Vote Count
(Updated to: My votes)
Astonish (AquaticPanic)
Seed Bomb (Dilasc)
Round (Gojiratar)
Double-Hit (Gojiratar)
Fire Lash (Yoshiblaze)
All-Terrain Blast (Yoshiblaze)
Items
Signature items (AquaticPanic)
Graduation Scale (AquaticPanic)
Mimic Orb (Yoshiblaze)
Shadow Rock (Regimaster57)
Eggshells (Sereg)
Demolition Bomb (Sereg)
Abilities
Gale Wings (AquaticPanic)
Shadow Sky (Regimaster57)
Spiritual Jnana (Ludicrousity)
Thick Fat(Gojiratar)
Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Magic Aura (Yoshiblaze)
Type Changes
Parasect (AquaticPanic)
Xurkitree (AquaticPanic)
Vespiquen (Ludicrousity)
Mawile (Gojiratar)
Gorebyss (Yoshiblaze)
Huntail (Yoshiblaze)
Vote Count
(Updated to: My votes)
Shadow Sky - 3
Astonish - 3
Seed Bomb - 3
Belch - 2
Double Hits - 2
Fire Lash - 2
All-Terrain Blast - 2
Recharge moves - 1
Draining moves - 1
Hot Tag - 1
Reverbate - 1
Noble Roar - 1
Round - 1
Astonish - 3
Seed Bomb - 3
Belch - 2
Double Hits - 2
Fire Lash - 2
All-Terrain Blast - 2
Recharge moves - 1
Draining moves - 1
Hot Tag - 1
Reverbate - 1
Noble Roar - 1
Round - 1
Shadow Surge - 4
Thick Fat - 3
Mega Launcher - 3
Liquid Voice - 2
Gale Wings - 2
Spiritual Jnana - 2
Magical Aura - 2
Lurker - 1
Iron Fist - 1
Vindictive - 1
Blunder Guard - 1
Thick Fat - 3
Mega Launcher - 3
Liquid Voice - 2
Gale Wings - 2
Spiritual Jnana - 2
Magical Aura - 2
Lurker - 1
Iron Fist - 1
Vindictive - 1
Blunder Guard - 1
Signature Items - 4
Shadow Rock - 4
Graduation Scale - 4
Demolition Bomb - 3
Mimic Orb - 3
Ring Target - 2
Type Clutcher - 1
Glue - 1
Eggshells - 1
Shadow Rock - 4
Graduation Scale - 4
Demolition Bomb - 3
Mimic Orb - 3
Ring Target - 2
Type Clutcher - 1
Glue - 1
Eggshells - 1
Servine & Serperior - 3
Glalie - 3
Parasect - 3
Xurkitree - 3
Mawile - 3
Vespiquen - 2
Huntail - 2
Gorebyss - 2
Comfey - 1
Glalie - 3
Parasect - 3
Xurkitree - 3
Mawile - 3
Vespiquen - 2
Huntail - 2
Gorebyss - 2
Comfey - 1
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Moves:
Shadow Sky (Regimaster57)
Fire Lash (Me)
Double Hit and frens (Gojiratar)
Hot Tag (Me)
Parabolic Charge/Draining Kiss (Gojiratar)
Reverberate (Sereg)
Items:
Shadow Rock (Regimaster57)
Mimic Orb (Me)
Eggshells (Sereg)
Abilities:
Liquid Voice (Me)
Spiritual Jnana (Ludi)
Shadow Surge (Regimaster57)
Thick Fat (Gojiratar)
Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Iron Fist (Dilasc)
Type Changes:
Xurkitree (AquaticPanic)
Vespiquen (Ludi)
Huntail (Me)
Gorebyss (Me)
Mawile (Gojiratar)
Servine/Serperior (AquaticPanic)
Counting up votes now!
Shadow Sky (Regimaster57)
Fire Lash (Me)
Double Hit and frens (Gojiratar)
Hot Tag (Me)
Parabolic Charge/Draining Kiss (Gojiratar)
Reverberate (Sereg)
Items:
Shadow Rock (Regimaster57)
Mimic Orb (Me)
Eggshells (Sereg)
Abilities:
Liquid Voice (Me)
Spiritual Jnana (Ludi)
Shadow Surge (Regimaster57)
Thick Fat (Gojiratar)
Mega Launcher (Gojiratar)
Iron Fist (Dilasc)
Type Changes:
Xurkitree (AquaticPanic)
Vespiquen (Ludi)
Huntail (Me)
Gorebyss (Me)
Mawile (Gojiratar)
Servine/Serperior (AquaticPanic)
Counting up votes now!
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Minor note, but you put Gale Wings under "Moves"
Winners:
Again, shoutouts to AquaticPanic for help with votes!
Moves:
1. Shadow Sky by Regimaster57 - -- BP, -- Acc, 8 PP, Dark, Summons Shadow Sky for 5 turns, which boosts the power of Dark and Ghost moves by 1.5x. (Z-Move: Raises Speed by 1)
2. Double Hit/Double Kick/Dual Chop/Gear Grind/Twineedle by Gojiratar - 50 BP, 90% Acc, 16 PP, Normal/Fighting/Dragon/Steel/Bug, Hits twice (Z-Moves: 100 BP of their respective types (note, this actually nerfs the power of Z-Gear Grind))
Abilities:
1. Shadow Surge by Regimaster57 - Summons Shadow Sky upon switching in.
2. Thick Fat by Gojiratar - Halves Ice- and Fire-type damage. The user is inmune to Burns, Freeze and Hail damage.
2. Mega Launcher by Gojiratar - Boosts the power of Pulse and Ballistic moves by 1.5x.
2. Liquid Voice by Yoshiblaze - This Pokemon's sound moves are now Water-type and do 1.2x damage.
Items:
1. Shadow Rock by Regimaster57 - Extends duration of Shadow Sky from 5 turns to 8. (60 BP Fling)
2. Signature Item mechanic change by AquaticPanic - Cannot be removed if their holder is the respective species the item is supposed to work with (Basically, Farfetch'd cannot have it's Stick removed from it, and this follows to other mons) (Light Ball is a bit suspect for this mechanic)
2. Graduation Scale by AquaticPanic - If holder is a Wishiwashi, it becomes School Form and will not change back. It's ability becomes Intimidate rather than Schooling. Water moves are boosted by a 1.2x factor (30 BP Fling)
2. Mimic Orb by Yoshiblaze - When held, the first move that the holder is targeted with gets added to this Pokemon's moveset until switched out. Displays the same message as Mimic does when activated. (30 BP Fling)
Type Changes
1. Xurkitree (Electric -> Electric/Grass) by AquaticPanic
2. Servine and Serperior (Grass -> Grass/Dragon) by AquaticPanic
2. Parasect (Bug/Grass -> Bug/Ghost) by AquaticPanic
2. Mawile and Mega Mawile (Steel/Fairy -> Fairy/Dark) by Gojiratar
With that, the distribution phase can begin! And with this distribution, in order to not clog up the thread, we'll try something new by discussion distribution in the Discord! Over the next couple days, in the channel #distribution_discussion, you all can discuss what should get the winning the moves and abilities. Hopefully this will allow for more in-depth discussion and opinion sharing and will also hopefully speed up this phase as it always takes forever. Discussion can still occur here on the forums, but it's not as urged as the Discord.
Link to the Discord if you're not in it already: https://discord.gg/hr9gDD3
Oh, and one more thing: Since he's contributed a lot by counting votes (which is tedious, believe me) and because I need all the help I can get (especially with Ludi's PC getting repaired, taking him out of commission for a little bit), I am appointing AquaticPanic to the council (assuming he accepts the position)!
Again, shoutouts to AquaticPanic for help with votes!
Moves:
1. Shadow Sky by Regimaster57 - -- BP, -- Acc, 8 PP, Dark, Summons Shadow Sky for 5 turns, which boosts the power of Dark and Ghost moves by 1.5x. (Z-Move: Raises Speed by 1)
2. Double Hit/Double Kick/Dual Chop/Gear Grind/Twineedle by Gojiratar - 50 BP, 90% Acc, 16 PP, Normal/Fighting/Dragon/Steel/Bug, Hits twice (Z-Moves: 100 BP of their respective types (note, this actually nerfs the power of Z-Gear Grind))
Shadow Sky - 5
Double Hits - 4
Astonish - 3
Seed Bomb - 3
Fire Lash - 3
Belch - 2
All-Terrain Blast - 2
Draining moves - 2
Hot Tag - 2
Reverberate - 2
Recharge moves - 1
Noble Roar - 1
Round - 1
Double Hits - 4
Astonish - 3
Seed Bomb - 3
Fire Lash - 3
Belch - 2
All-Terrain Blast - 2
Draining moves - 2
Hot Tag - 2
Reverberate - 2
Recharge moves - 1
Noble Roar - 1
Round - 1
Abilities:
1. Shadow Surge by Regimaster57 - Summons Shadow Sky upon switching in.
2. Thick Fat by Gojiratar - Halves Ice- and Fire-type damage. The user is inmune to Burns, Freeze and Hail damage.
2. Mega Launcher by Gojiratar - Boosts the power of Pulse and Ballistic moves by 1.5x.
2. Liquid Voice by Yoshiblaze - This Pokemon's sound moves are now Water-type and do 1.2x damage.
Shadow Surge - 5
Thick Fat - 4
Mega Launcher - 4
Liquid Voice - 4
Gale Wings - 3
Spiritual Jnana - 3
Iron Fist - 3
Magical Aura - 2
Lurker - 1
Vindictive - 1
Blunder Guard - 1
Thick Fat - 4
Mega Launcher - 4
Liquid Voice - 4
Gale Wings - 3
Spiritual Jnana - 3
Iron Fist - 3
Magical Aura - 2
Lurker - 1
Vindictive - 1
Blunder Guard - 1
Items:
1. Shadow Rock by Regimaster57 - Extends duration of Shadow Sky from 5 turns to 8. (60 BP Fling)
2. Signature Item mechanic change by AquaticPanic - Cannot be removed if their holder is the respective species the item is supposed to work with (Basically, Farfetch'd cannot have it's Stick removed from it, and this follows to other mons) (Light Ball is a bit suspect for this mechanic)
2. Graduation Scale by AquaticPanic - If holder is a Wishiwashi, it becomes School Form and will not change back. It's ability becomes Intimidate rather than Schooling. Water moves are boosted by a 1.2x factor (30 BP Fling)
2. Mimic Orb by Yoshiblaze - When held, the first move that the holder is targeted with gets added to this Pokemon's moveset until switched out. Displays the same message as Mimic does when activated. (30 BP Fling)
Shadow Rock - 5
Signature Items - 4
Graduation Scale - 4
Mimic Orb - 4
Demolition Bomb - 3
Eggshells - 3
Ring Target - 2
Type Clutcher - 1
Glue - 1
Signature Items - 4
Graduation Scale - 4
Mimic Orb - 4
Demolition Bomb - 3
Eggshells - 3
Ring Target - 2
Type Clutcher - 1
Glue - 1
Type Changes
1. Xurkitree (Electric -> Electric/Grass) by AquaticPanic
2. Servine and Serperior (Grass -> Grass/Dragon) by AquaticPanic
2. Parasect (Bug/Grass -> Bug/Ghost) by AquaticPanic
2. Mawile and Mega Mawile (Steel/Fairy -> Fairy/Dark) by Gojiratar
Xurkitree - 5
Servine & Serperior - 4
Parasect - 4
Mawile - 4
Glalie - 3
Vespiquen - 3
Huntail - 3
Gorebyss - 3
Comfey - 1
Servine & Serperior - 4
Parasect - 4
Mawile - 4
Glalie - 3
Vespiquen - 3
Huntail - 3
Gorebyss - 3
Comfey - 1
With that, the distribution phase can begin! And with this distribution, in order to not clog up the thread, we'll try something new by discussion distribution in the Discord! Over the next couple days, in the channel #distribution_discussion, you all can discuss what should get the winning the moves and abilities. Hopefully this will allow for more in-depth discussion and opinion sharing and will also hopefully speed up this phase as it always takes forever. Discussion can still occur here on the forums, but it's not as urged as the Discord.
Link to the Discord if you're not in it already: https://discord.gg/hr9gDD3
Oh, and one more thing: Since he's contributed a lot by counting votes (which is tedious, believe me) and because I need all the help I can get (especially with Ludi's PC getting repaired, taking him out of commission for a little bit), I am appointing AquaticPanic to the council (assuming he accepts the position)!
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Why, sure! I'll be accepting it!
Quick question about the new weather: What do we do with Forecast? Should the new type of the mon with Forecast be Ghost or Dark?
It would match the type of the move Shadow Sky, so Dark (forgot the specify that it was Dark is the winners post, woops)
Yes, Weather Ball becomes a Dark type move.
While distribution discussion is focused on the Discord, I believe we can still discuss the meta here. So, I've made a list of things that I think will be relevant. A kind of Viability Ranking prediction, if you will. It's also my first time doing so, so some help is appreciated. Also, keep in mind that this is all just a big Theorymon on what the meta will be like, so take it with a grain of salt:
S Rank
Stakataka has everything going for it. Trick Room became much more viable, making it outspeed most of the meta. It also had it's type changed to a much better Ghost / Steel, which benefits it by no longer having any 4x weakness, as well as just having a great Defensive Type to go with it's somewhat bulky stats. Ghost also gained a new physical move, Shadow Charge (85 BP, 1.5x power if a foe is switching in), which makes it harder to switch in to. It also benefits from Shadow Sky. All in all, Stakataka is for sure going to be fantastic, and really puts the "S" in S Rank.
A Rank
Scizor was already pretty good in the meta before Sylvemons existed. However, with the Technician boost, it has a lot of options to run: Brick Break for Heatran, boosted U-Turn, or even the disgrace that is Technician Knock Off. It does get a bit hindered by Flame Bullet, but still. A banded Scizor can OHKO Heatran with Brick Break after Stealth Rocks, Knock Off OHKOs Volcarona (If item is removable), Brick Break anihillates Magnezone and Knock Off OHKOs Zapdos after Rocks. In short, less things that used to check it can switch in now.
Trick Room is extremamly relevant in the meta, and Musharna is probably the best setter to focus an entire team around. With a great new Psychic / Fairy type (Being the only setter to not be weak to Dark types), reliable recvery in Moonlight, a STAB pivot move in Teleport and good stats with 116 / 85 / 95 Defenses and not bad 107 Sp. Atk, it is a fantastic mon to build Trick Room teams. It supports the team with Time Warp, and with just 29 base Speed, it will ususally go first under the TR it sets. Then, it will most likely pivot with Teleport into slow teammates (Which also stops any trapping moves). However, having 107 Sp. Atk also makes it no dead weight either, so if the rest of the team goes down, Musharna can still hold itself up pretty well. In short, Musharna is a great mon to support slow teams with Trick Room.
A- Rank
Since it now gets the boost from Light Ball, and now that Wild Charge has 150 BP, this thing is just a monster. It also has great abilities, pretty fine movepool, an incredible type and now it also cannot have it's Light Ball removed. Page 25 has some calcs and more discussion on it to back this up, so I'll be brief here.
Meloetta-P can now be accessed by the Relic Charm item. It has an almost unresisted STAB combo, as well as the improved Technician, which boost a lot of useful things such as U-Turn, Drain Punch, the Elemental Punches, Knock Off, Quick Attack, Shadow Claw and even some more gimmicky stuff such as Retaliate (Imagine Technician Boosted Retaliate after a mon faints?). It is also quite fast at 128 Speed, and equaly strong 128 Atk. stat, making it rise a lot in viability in the meta.
B Rank
It is not as bulky as Scizor and has a worse type than it, however, hits harder with Eviolith and is much faster. To keep it short, it's something to watch out for due to great Speed, Tech U-Turn / Knock Off and access to Eviolith making it really strong.
Obstinacy makes Lucario obliterate anything on it's way. Due to STAB on Reversal (Hitting roughly 400 BP before STAB if you're at 1% HP), as well as Extreme Speed outprioritizing anything that would want to revenge kill it, Lucario may even be better than I'm putting it here. However, do keep in mind that Obstinacy for Lucario is at a suspect, so it may not be permanent
C Rank
Due to gaining Incinerate (A Fire-Type Knock Off clone), as well as Morning Sun, Zard X got a whole lot better. Incinerate is just a better Flamethrower, and discourages switchin in on it, due to removing items. Morning Sun + Drought is a powerful combo that allows you to recover a lot of HP in a pretty easy way. It can also get some help from Housekeeping, so that it doesn't have to worry about Rocks. Solid upgrade to an already great Mega.
With the base gaining Guard Up, and the mega Knight's Blade, Mega Gallade finds itself in a comfy position in the meta. It can have an easier time setting up due to Guard Up, and has stuff like Knight boosted Psycho Cuts and Night Slashes.
Other relevant stuff I don't know where to put:
More stuff to come later. I accept suggestions on what to add or change on this too.
S Rank
Stakataka has everything going for it. Trick Room became much more viable, making it outspeed most of the meta. It also had it's type changed to a much better Ghost / Steel, which benefits it by no longer having any 4x weakness, as well as just having a great Defensive Type to go with it's somewhat bulky stats. Ghost also gained a new physical move, Shadow Charge (85 BP, 1.5x power if a foe is switching in), which makes it harder to switch in to. It also benefits from Shadow Sky. All in all, Stakataka is for sure going to be fantastic, and really puts the "S" in S Rank.
A Rank
Scizor was already pretty good in the meta before Sylvemons existed. However, with the Technician boost, it has a lot of options to run: Brick Break for Heatran, boosted U-Turn, or even the disgrace that is Technician Knock Off. It does get a bit hindered by Flame Bullet, but still. A banded Scizor can OHKO Heatran with Brick Break after Stealth Rocks, Knock Off OHKOs Volcarona (If item is removable), Brick Break anihillates Magnezone and Knock Off OHKOs Zapdos after Rocks. In short, less things that used to check it can switch in now.
Trick Room is extremamly relevant in the meta, and Musharna is probably the best setter to focus an entire team around. With a great new Psychic / Fairy type (Being the only setter to not be weak to Dark types), reliable recvery in Moonlight, a STAB pivot move in Teleport and good stats with 116 / 85 / 95 Defenses and not bad 107 Sp. Atk, it is a fantastic mon to build Trick Room teams. It supports the team with Time Warp, and with just 29 base Speed, it will ususally go first under the TR it sets. Then, it will most likely pivot with Teleport into slow teammates (Which also stops any trapping moves). However, having 107 Sp. Atk also makes it no dead weight either, so if the rest of the team goes down, Musharna can still hold itself up pretty well. In short, Musharna is a great mon to support slow teams with Trick Room.
A- Rank
Since it now gets the boost from Light Ball, and now that Wild Charge has 150 BP, this thing is just a monster. It also has great abilities, pretty fine movepool, an incredible type and now it also cannot have it's Light Ball removed. Page 25 has some calcs and more discussion on it to back this up, so I'll be brief here.
Meloetta-P can now be accessed by the Relic Charm item. It has an almost unresisted STAB combo, as well as the improved Technician, which boost a lot of useful things such as U-Turn, Drain Punch, the Elemental Punches, Knock Off, Quick Attack, Shadow Claw and even some more gimmicky stuff such as Retaliate (Imagine Technician Boosted Retaliate after a mon faints?). It is also quite fast at 128 Speed, and equaly strong 128 Atk. stat, making it rise a lot in viability in the meta.
B Rank
It is not as bulky as Scizor and has a worse type than it, however, hits harder with Eviolith and is much faster. To keep it short, it's something to watch out for due to great Speed, Tech U-Turn / Knock Off and access to Eviolith making it really strong.
Obstinacy makes Lucario obliterate anything on it's way. Due to STAB on Reversal (Hitting roughly 400 BP before STAB if you're at 1% HP), as well as Extreme Speed outprioritizing anything that would want to revenge kill it, Lucario may even be better than I'm putting it here. However, do keep in mind that Obstinacy for Lucario is at a suspect, so it may not be permanent
C Rank
Due to gaining Incinerate (A Fire-Type Knock Off clone), as well as Morning Sun, Zard X got a whole lot better. Incinerate is just a better Flamethrower, and discourages switchin in on it, due to removing items. Morning Sun + Drought is a powerful combo that allows you to recover a lot of HP in a pretty easy way. It can also get some help from Housekeeping, so that it doesn't have to worry about Rocks. Solid upgrade to an already great Mega.
With the base gaining Guard Up, and the mega Knight's Blade, Mega Gallade finds itself in a comfy position in the meta. It can have an easier time setting up due to Guard Up, and has stuff like Knight boosted Psycho Cuts and Night Slashes.
Other relevant stuff I don't know where to put:
More stuff to come later. I accept suggestions on what to add or change on this too.
Is there a complete list of changes that have been voted in somewhere? If so, can we add that to the OP or one of the reserved posts on the first page? I want to be able to see what has already been done before I try to submit anything.
A set:
Zweilous @ Eviolith
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Head Smash
- Crunch
- Superpower
- Outrage
This thing can work as a wallbreaker in TR teams since has the equivalent of a 152 base Atk and Hustle.
another set:
Doublade @ Eviolith
Ability: Guard Up
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Gyro Ball
- Iron Head
Zweilous @ Eviolith
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Head Smash
- Crunch
- Superpower
- Outrage
This thing can work as a wallbreaker in TR teams since has the equivalent of a 152 base Atk and Hustle.
another set:
Doublade @ Eviolith
Ability: Guard Up
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Gyro Ball
- Iron Head
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This set leaves me some questions: 1, why the hell are you using Head Smash? It's too damm inaccurate in tamdem with Hustle and it doesn't hit anything relevant for Zweilous and 2, why Dragon Tail? I mean, yeah, it's nice to erase the foe's boosts, but Zweilous is supposed to be a wallbreaker, so it would pprefer any other strong physical Dragon STAB.A set:
Zweilous @ Eviolith
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Head Smash
- Crunch
- Superpower
- Dragon Tail
This thing can work as a wallbreaker in TR teams since has the equivalent of a 152 base Atk and Hustle.
Oh, lol, I thought it could learn Outrage or something.
Oh so yeah it gets outrage, imma put it in the set lol
Doublade would be better off with Guard Up instead of No Guard. Zweilous also could run Scrappy. Doesn't hit as hard, tho.A set:
Zweilous @ Eviolith
Ability: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Head Smash
- Crunch
- Superpower
- Outrage
This thing can work as a wallbreaker in TR teams since has the equivalent of a 152 base Atk and Hustle.
another set:
Doublade @ Eviolith
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Spe
Brave Nature
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Gyro Ball
- Iron Head
More sets, tho a bit less relevant ones:
Linoone @ Silk Scarf (?)
Ability: Obstinacy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Belly Drum
- Extreme Speed
- Play Rough / Shadow Claw
- Stomping Tantrum
The idea is to switch it in on something that can't damage it (Like, say, Pex), get the Belly Drum up and gain a 50% boost to all your moves, as well as max Atk. Gets stopped by Skarmory, tho, and if a Lele switches in as you Belly Drum up, you're screwed.
Wishiwashi-School @ Graduation Scale
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- U-turn
- Ice Beam
Toucannon @ Shell Bell (?)
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Plume Cannon
- Rock Blast
- Bullet Seed
- U-turn
More TR sweepers
Absol-Mega @ Absolite
Ability: Super Luck
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Knock Off
- Play Rough
Can abuse STAB Play Rough better than the other STABs.
Samurott @ Life Orb
Ability: Knight's Blade
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stalwart Sword
- Razor Shell
- Sacred Sword
May be just an excuse to talk about a mon I really like, but Samurott is pretty great now, with dual STAB and being boosted by Knight's Blade
Escavalier @ Assault Vest
Ability: Gurad Up / Knight's Blade
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bug Bite / X-Scissor
- Iron Head
- Knock Off / Bug Bite
- Filler (Fell Stinger, Drill Run, etc)
Escavalier gets a lot better in this meta. Trick Room being set up everywhere, Bug Bite being boosted, better Steel STAB and two great new abilities in Guard Up (Letting it have better bulky stes) and Knight's Blade (Making it hit harder with Blade moves). That's all backed up by a fantastic Bug / Steel type. It would be a lot more relevant if it wasn't by stuff like Scizor overshadowing it and facing competition with Doublade.
I would recommend using Twineedle over X-Scissor as an other option.
Escavalier @ Assault Vest
Ability: Gurad Up / Knight's Blade
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bug Bite / X-Scissor
- Iron Head
- Knock Off / Bug Bite
- Filler (Fell Stinger, Drill Run, etc)
Name: Guts
Existing Ability?: Y
Effect: If user is afflicted with status, its attacks will always crit.
Niche: Would now effectively boost both attack stats by x1.5, and allow user to ignore stat drops from Intimidate, Overheat, etc.
Potential Pokemon With This Ability: Current Distribution, Tyranitar, Doduo line, Pidgey line, Noivern, Drudrigon, Hawlucha, Turtonator
Existing Ability?: Y
Effect: If user is afflicted with status, its attacks will always crit.
Niche: Would now effectively boost both attack stats by x1.5, and allow user to ignore stat drops from Intimidate, Overheat, etc.
Potential Pokemon With This Ability: Current Distribution, Tyranitar, Doduo line, Pidgey line, Noivern, Drudrigon, Hawlucha, Turtonator
Name: Merciless
Existing Ability?: Y
Effect: If target is afflicted with status, user's attacks will always crit.
Niche: Can make user into an effective wall breaker.
Potential Pokemon With This Ability: Current Distribution, Incinaroar line, Gligar line, Drapion, Toxicroak line, Drowzee line, Growlith line, Zubat line, other Dark/Ghost/Fire/Poison types.
Existing Ability?: Y
Effect: If target is afflicted with status, user's attacks will always crit.
Niche: Can make user into an effective wall breaker.
Potential Pokemon With This Ability: Current Distribution, Incinaroar line, Gligar line, Drapion, Toxicroak line, Drowzee line, Growlith line, Zubat line, other Dark/Ghost/Fire/Poison types.
Name: Crash Helmet
Existing Item?: N
Effect: Blocks damage taken from recoil moves and entry hazards.
Removable via Knock Off?: Y
Ignored by Klutz?: Y
Niche: Many pokemon that want to use Brave Bird or Flare Blitz are weak to SR, and can be worn down quickly. This can keep them healthier for longer.
Existing Item?: N
Effect: Blocks damage taken from recoil moves and entry hazards.
Removable via Knock Off?: Y
Ignored by Klutz?: Y
Niche: Many pokemon that want to use Brave Bird or Flare Blitz are weak to SR, and can be worn down quickly. This can keep them healthier for longer.
Name: Meditate.
Existing Move?: Y
Category: Status
Type: Psychic
PP: 40 (max 64)
Effect: Sharply lowers the users Speed and Evasion, but increases all other stats (including accuracy) by 1 stage each.
Priority: 0.
Z-Move: Heals user to full.
Niche: Similar to Curse but more extreme, allows user to tank up at the cost of completely sacrificing their speed stat. Z-Meditate gives users sweepers a 1 time form of reliable recovery. Hitmonlee gets this with Unburden+White Herb for one time set up sweeping.
Potential Pokemon With This Move: Current distribution, Sableye, Magby line,Solosis line, Lucario Line, Togepi line, Cubone line, +some fighting and psychic types.
Existing Move?: Y
Category: Status
Type: Psychic
PP: 40 (max 64)
Effect: Sharply lowers the users Speed and Evasion, but increases all other stats (including accuracy) by 1 stage each.
Priority: 0.
Z-Move: Heals user to full.
Niche: Similar to Curse but more extreme, allows user to tank up at the cost of completely sacrificing their speed stat. Z-Meditate gives users sweepers a 1 time form of reliable recovery. Hitmonlee gets this with Unburden+White Herb for one time set up sweeping.
Potential Pokemon With This Move: Current distribution, Sableye, Magby line,
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We aren't at Submission phase yet :p
And also, Meditate is a bit broken (Specially with Trick Room making the speed drop be more benefitial than anything).
Knight's Blade sets would rather have X-Scissor since that's boosted by the ability, but on Guard Up sets this is a great idea.