Hello everyone. Previously there was a discussion on the transitivity of bans for non-Pokemon, such as moves or abilities. I believe it's very important that there is a procedure in place, as in NU we may be going down that road sometime in the future. There are some questions that I believe should be solved before anyone goes ahead with this.
One thing that was brought up is the question "how can one move be broken in one tier but not in a lower tier", and 1 examples I can give for that is Scald in UU. UU is full of bulky water-types that can cripple many of the viable switch-ins with Scald burns, which in the eyes of some makes it broken (note that i dont play enough UU to actually comment about it). But in NU, Scald is not broken because there is a lack of bulky Water-types, and the primary switch-ins to Scald often have Heal Bell or some other way of removing status. So Scald may be broken in UU, but is definitely not broken in NU.
But back to the topic of transitivity of move bans, before anything is potentially done about it, I think we should make sure that all tiers are on the same page about what should happen, so I would like to hear from you guys. I've thought up 2 questions that I believe are very important to this discussion, but there are others as well. So if you have something not directly related to those questions but still related to the topic, please bring them up!
1) If a tier such as OU bans a move, are lower tiers forced to ban the move as well?
2) How would these potential bans effect usage based OMs (PU and FU), because they are not official smogon metagames, would they be forced to add any bans higher tiers use?
3) How would this effect non-Pokemon bans that are already in place, such as Drought / Drizzle from UU, and Swagger from OU.
there was a discussion about this before, but nothing conclusive was decided, so I decided to re-open it as it may become more than just a theoretical decision in the future
One thing that was brought up is the question "how can one move be broken in one tier but not in a lower tier", and 1 examples I can give for that is Scald in UU. UU is full of bulky water-types that can cripple many of the viable switch-ins with Scald burns, which in the eyes of some makes it broken (note that i dont play enough UU to actually comment about it). But in NU, Scald is not broken because there is a lack of bulky Water-types, and the primary switch-ins to Scald often have Heal Bell or some other way of removing status. So Scald may be broken in UU, but is definitely not broken in NU.
But back to the topic of transitivity of move bans, before anything is potentially done about it, I think we should make sure that all tiers are on the same page about what should happen, so I would like to hear from you guys. I've thought up 2 questions that I believe are very important to this discussion, but there are others as well. So if you have something not directly related to those questions but still related to the topic, please bring them up!
1) If a tier such as OU bans a move, are lower tiers forced to ban the move as well?
2) How would these potential bans effect usage based OMs (PU and FU), because they are not official smogon metagames, would they be forced to add any bans higher tiers use?
3) How would this effect non-Pokemon bans that are already in place, such as Drought / Drizzle from UU, and Swagger from OU.
there was a discussion about this before, but nothing conclusive was decided, so I decided to re-open it as it may become more than just a theoretical decision in the future