now scarfzekrom with sleep talk handles Twave Darkrai (this is a thing, right) even better.
So Ground types being able to switch safely into Thunder Wave all along was perfectly balanced, but now that Electric types can do it the metagame is ruined?The new typing sucks fairy really...don't like how it completely resists drag and is weak to only two things. I think they hav killed gen 6 a gen I was looking forward too aswell :( Also that electrics cannot be para which is so broke >..< there gonna go nuts with t wave switch ins doing jack to them all T.T
fair enough but still I think fairy from the weakness and resistances alone is brokeSo Ground types being able to switch safely into Thunder Wave all along was perfectly balanced, but now that Electric types can do it the metagame is ruined?
And this is while Groudon alone sees more usage than all the viable Electric types in the metagame put together.
But we still don't know how good Fairy-type Pokemon are. The only one we can know will be good is Xerneas, but even then, we don't know base stats; therefore, we don't know the full extent of how the Fairy-type will function in this new metagame. Don't be quick to judge with these unknowns.fair enough but still I think fairy from the weakness and resistances alone is broke
One legend won't make or break the fairy types lool azumaril will be water fairy so completely resists Hera and all dragons. That another example how broke it actually is. Plus they can just come on outrages and take no damage @ all >:(But we still don't know how good Fairy-type Pokemon are. The only one we can know will be good is Xerneas, but even then, we don't know base stats; therefore, we don't know the full extent of how the Fairy-type will function in this new metagame. Don't be quick to judge with these unknowns.
We don't even know if Azumarill will get a good Fairy STAB yet, though.One legend won't make or break the fairy types lool azumaril will be water fairy so completely resists Hera and all dragons. That another example how broke it actually is. Plus they can just come on outrages and take no damage @ all
So Ghost types can come into Thrash and Close Combat and take no damage, does this makes them broken? ROTFL. And Azumarill probably is still pathetic in Ubers, thought a beast in OU. I can't really see your point, as unlike Dragon, fairy is resisted by Fire and Poison, other than Steel. Guess who is a Fire type? Isn't maybe that top tier Pokémon named Ho-oh?One legend won't make or break the fairy types lool azumaril will be water fairy so completely resists Hera and all dragons. That another example how broke it actually is. Plus they can just come on outrages and take no damage @ all
Your argument is invalid sir. He's talking about the uber metagame, where being immune to Dragon is godlike. Close Combat is almost never seen, Terrakion being the only one (or almost, too lazy to think). Oh and yeah, Ghost is broken in Uber.So Ghost types can come into Thrash and Close Combat and take no damage, does this makes them broken? ROTFL.
You're talking about the bird who take something like 50% on Stealth Rock ? You seriously think this (BAN ME PLEASE) can wall Fairyceus ? Oh well, let's see if you can say the same thing when XY are available.I can't really see your point, as unlike Dragon, fairy is resisted by Fire and Poison, other than Steel. Guess who is a Fire type? Isn't maybe that top tier Pokémon named Ho-oh?
Outrage is not a great move in the current metagame as it is. Being locked into a move as well as unable to switch is a horrible downside, as it removes one of the quintessential aspects of success in the metagame, namely strategic switching, as well as meaning that Pokemon using Outrage are easy set up fodder for Steel types.One legend won't make or break the fairy types lool azumaril will be water fairy so completely resists Hera and all dragons. That another example how broke it actually is. Plus they can just come on outrages and take no damage @ all
A well-supported Ho-Oh is the single most devastating threat in the metagame. An additional resistance and no foreseeable new disadvantages is just one more reason to use it, as if it wasn't already immensely capable.You're talking about the bird who take something like 50% on Stealth Rock ? You seriously think this (BAN ME PLEASE) can wall Fairyceus ? Oh well, let's see if you can say the same thing when XY are available.
Nice strawman argument. Ho-Oh needs anti-hazard support (which is admittedly not particularly easy to manage, but benefits the entire team immensely) and sun support (which also is not a problem, as Groudon has good synergy with Ho-Oh and is generally an excellent and versatile Pokemon, thus easy to fit alongside it). With said support Ho-Oh simultaneously walls a large proportion and threatens the vast majority of the metagame, while also boasting one of the best abilities in the game which makes it impossible to simply wear down with attacks. Nothing else in the metagame can boast as much, and said support is not on the level of paralyzing the whole opposing team and setting up Stealth Rock and 3 layers of Spikes. Not to mention that it is not particularly dependant on sun, but merely prefers it.A well supported anything can be the biggest threat in the metagame. We can't really tell whether Ho-oh is going to counter Arceus-Fairy or not, because if it ends up being physically absed (assuming it gets a good physical fairy-type move), then it will most likely carry Earthquake and Stone Edge as coverage moves.
Why not just go for an offensive CM + 3 attacks set? Judgment + Thunder + Focus Blast gives flawless neutral coverage and Ho-Oh is 2HKOed after a CM.Yeah, Arceus being the exception. Even then, it'll have to run some weird CM 3 attacks set to avoid being Ho-Oh/Steel type fodder. It'll probably end up tossing CM for Recover and function like Fightceus as a support set which isn't too scary.
Eq, judgment, stone edge. You're welcome.Why not just go for an offensive CM + 3 attacks set? Judgment + Thunder + Focus Blast gives flawless neutral coverage and Ho-Oh is 2HKOed after a CM.
Actually...One thing that hasn't really been in the minds of a lot of people that should is that Ghost (and Dark!) is no longer resisted by Steel.
Based on the promotional video that first introduced Moon Blast, Sylveon was able to OHKO a full-health Salamence with the attack. We know with 95% certainty that Sylveon has base 110 attack. Assuming 31 SpA IV for Sylveon and a 0 IV in both SpD and HP for Salamence, Moon Blast has to have 90 power at the minimum to guarantee the OHKO.Judging from the little we do know about Fairy moves it seems highly unlikely that it'll get strong attacks. It seems like it's a supportive typing and it'll probably not end up with anything above 80 BP much like Ghost and Dark.
Pure speculation aside, of course the metagame is going to change a lot. This is a good thing, it means we are playing a new generation and not just an update on the last one. Personally, I like the direction this metagame will probably take, stall needed to be thrown another bone after BW2 brought so much and the Fairy typing is perfect for this. I really like having a real switch-in to Dragon Tail as well as a deterrent to mons spamming Choice Specs Dracos etc.
You're complaining now. You'll get used to it though.what has happened to my metagame
fuck you nintendo
I'm gonna disagree with you here, I'm hugely speculating that Yveltal would be Special. If you look at Yveltal and the moves shown for it, it simply looks like a Special Attacker. We shouldn't forget that this is Ubers and the majority of Pokemon for it have been Specially-oriented.I'm truly fascinated by what Xerneas and Yveltal could be like.
- First with Yveltal, you have a Dark-Flying Pokemon that is said to represent death itself. With Dark Aura boosting its STAB options, I picture this thing is going to be one heck of an offensive Pokemon. Now by looking at the Flying type as a whole, the highest stat tends to be Speed, with Attack being a close second (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Flying_(type) ) followed closely by attack. This makes me believe that Yveltal will be a fast physical, offensive threat. It's signature move is "Oblivion Wing" may look like a special attack in the trailers, but on the surface, it sounds like a highly powerful physical STAB attack. This Pokemon's effect on the metagame could be that it has an easier time beating Ghostceus, Giratina, Lugia, Mewtwo (non-mega), Latios, Latias, Grassceus (remember Yveltal's other stab), and Shaymin-S. Darkrai could be beaten down by it too, assuming that it can be out-sped before being putting Yveltal to sleep. :)
:P The point still stands however.
I really wouldn't take damage calcs based on promo trailers seriously, there's a million different factors we could be missing.Based on the promotional video that first introduced Moon Blast, Sylveon was able to OHKO a full-health Salamence with the attack. We know with 95% certainty that Sylveon has base 110 attack. Assuming 31 SpA IV for Sylveon and a 0 IV in both SpD and HP for Salamence, Moon Blast has to have 90 power at the minimum to guarantee the OHKO.
Yeah they could have given Sylveon EVs and other evidence points to the contrary and the name "Moon Blast" doesn't sound like it would be particularly weak...