...no. Everything that would use Dragon Rush gets either Swords Dance or Dragon Dance, both of which are far superior to Claw Sharpen. :\Personally, I like the idea of a Claw Sharpen + Dragon Rush set. Dragon Rush is a nifty move on paper (100 BP, great offensive typing, good flinch chance) but its 75% accuracy is a definite deal-breaker... Sure, Outrage is still stronger, but a CSed Dragon Rush doesn't lock you into an attack or confuse you after its use.
No.What about Zoroark? Couldn't he pull off something like:
Claw Sharpen
Sucker Punch
Focus Blast
Night Burst/ Dark Pulse
You come in disguised as something that can scare the opponent into a switch. Use claw sharpen, boost the acc of focus blast and the strenght of sucker punch.
Togekiss learns Extremespeed at Lv00; i.e., via Heart Scale.This, like SJCrew's Meloetta, is an instance where the accuracy boost only really benefits one or two moves, but they're pivotal and vital to the set's success. In my opinion, this is a very successful user of Claw Sharpen, the only issue with it being, of course, that Togekiss doesn't actually learn the move.
dragon rush with swords dance is pretty much a 200 BP move, with a 25% chance to miss thats an average of 150 BP...no. Everything that would use Dragon Rush gets either Swords Dance or Dragon Dance, both of which are far superior to Claw Sharpen. :\
I was referring to Claw Sharpen when I said that Togekiss 'doesn't learn the move'. :0 Sorry for the confusion.Togekiss learns Extremespeed at Lv00; i.e., via Heart Scale.
Actually, I pretty much can. :0 It's kind of hard to deny that a +2 boost in Attack or a +1 boost in both Attack and Speed are far better for sweeping than a +1 boost to Attack and Accuracy. :\ If you don't have the bulk to tank (why Bulk Up is better than CS too, BTW) or the speed to sweep, then you're going to have to switch out a lot, basically making Claw Sharpen a waste of a turn and a waste of a moveslot. As for the dragon moves:while swords dance and dragon dance would help your other moves more, you can still not say they are 'far superior' because its not true
Dragon Claw, after a Swords Dance, has 160 BP and 100% accuracy. Outrage reaches 240/100%. I'd call htat superior to 200/75% and 150/100%.
Entirely true, but the flinch chance still interests me. Particularly using Garchomp under sandstorm - the 20% flinch rate coupled with the 20% evasion rate just strikes me as something that would be tonnes of fun to play around with, even if it (probably) wouldn't be as usable as SD Outrage's outright power. *shrugs*Dragon Claw, after a Swords Dance, has 160 BP and 100% accuracy. Outrage reaches 240/100%. I'd call that superior to 200/75% and 150/100%.
If Latias, Salamence, and Garchomp were still Ubers, then CS Flygon might stand a chance of being useful, yes. :0 However as it is, the policy for 5th Gen analyses/discussion is to treat everything as being in one big standard tier... Even if we assume that the obviously-Uber dragons are to be banned, Flygon has a poor time competing with all the new and returning Dragon-type threats: SD Garchomp thoroughly outclasses CS Flygon in all stat categories, as well as the boost... Dragonite gets DD and a far better priority attack, and Sazandora/Landlos are Flygon's competition for Choice Scarf and Band sets respectively. If Flygon stays OU, it's really gonna have a hard time fitting in... I can see Claw Sharpen possibly being useful in lower tiers if it gets dropped to them, but even then it might be outclassed by DD Altaria, who can outspeed Flygon after one boost. :\ It's really not all it's cracked up to be, unfortunately...Are you people kidding me? Claw sharpen is HUGE for flygon!
I'm still disappointed that he doesn't get dragon dance, but I really feel like game freak threw him a bone here. IIRC claw sharpen is flygons first and only boosting move.
With salamence, garchomp and latias in ubers, flygon is the fastest dragon in OU.
Life orbed STAB outrage and EQ off 448 attack are going to hurt.
Flygon @ Life orb
4HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Jolly
- Claw Sharpen
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Quick Attack/Stone Edge
If a Serene Grace Pokemon got it, I might be interested. :0 It might be fun as a gimmick, I suppose, sort of like using Muddy Water over Surf on Swampert... though it's not really in the same family, as anything coming off of Claw Sharpen isn't going to hurt nearly as much as Chomp's attacks coming off of an SD.Entirely true, but the flinch chance still interests me. Particularly using Garchomp under sandstorm - the 20% flinch rate coupled with the 20% evasion rate just strikes me as something that would be tonnes of fun to play around with, even if it (probably) wouldn't be as usable as SD Outrage's outright power. *shrugs*
It would patch up Stone Edge's crappy accuracy, too, though.
he definitely is allowed to state facts. If you use a move to boost only ONE move, it is vastly inferior to using a move to boost EVERY move. It's all because of this little thing called coveragedragon rush with swords dance is pretty much a 200 BP move, with a 25% chance to miss thats an average of 150 BP
with claw sharpen its pretty much 150 BP with 100% accuracy, same average damage but more reliable
while swords dance and dragon dance would help your other moves more, you can still not say they are 'far superior' because its not true
though in my opinion its just a shame there was no SpAtk version of it, that would have been significantly more useful(zap cannon, purgatory, blizzard, focus blast, hydro pump etc.)
Makes sense. So would sets like these be viable?As a solely physical set up move it's outclassed by SD on anything that isn't running 2+ moves with 85% acc or less, like Megahorn and Stone Edge. High BP Special moves tend give better coverage but have crap acc., whereas high BP Physical moves have stat drops, recoil etc. Essentially, the Acc boost benefits special moves more whereas the Atk boost, well...
Ultimately, I think Sharpen....er..Hone Claws best utility lies in Special sweepers who have a useble attack stat and have access to special moves with shitty acc. such as Focus Miss, Blizzard, Thunder etc outside of weather, essentially becoming mixed sweepers.
This. I have experimented with Aianto and, while my team needs some work, he himself always does really well.I have personally found Aianto to be an absolute beast when paired with an encore user. encore something it resists, come in and claw sharpen. Then you get like 3 kills with a life orb attached and it's fast as shit. Obviously using hustle.
What a fantastic little sweeper this guy is!
Blaziken should really be using swords dance instead of hone claws.
That actually isn't a bad idea, I can't believe I didn't think of that.Imo, Aerodactyl is actually an amazing Hone Claws abuser. With it it can fully abuse Stone Edge, as well as Aqua Tail and the elemental fangs.