If Grasswhistle had more accuracy, we'd be seeing this and more grass types using it. Sadly, 55% is very unreliable. I do like the Claw Sharpen set, as it can do some decent damage to the opponent's team.
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Hahakomori
- Thread starter MeroMero
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On any set that has Agility, you might want to consider Swarm or Dust Proof since you don't really need that much Speed. Also, put the remaining EVs into Def so you don't end up with an HP divisible by 4 and can only switch into SR 4 times. Here's a gimmicky Flail set:
Edit: You should mention that it gets Dust-Proof as its Dream World Ability. In case anyone's wondering, Grass Whistle has 73.3 Accuracy after one Claw Sharpen and 91.6 Accuracy after two. Gravity and Claw Sharpen gives it perfect Accuracy so this Pokemon does have a use on Gravity teams since it has a double resistance to Ground.
Hahakurimo @ Leichi Berry/Salac Berry
EVs: 24 HP/252 Atk/8 Def/224 Spe
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: Dustproof
~ Substitute/Endure
~ Agility/Swords Dance
~ Flail
~ Leaf Blade
The idea for this set is simple, Sub down to 1 HP and get your set up move off as they break your last Sub. Alternatively, you can use your set up move as they switch and Endure a fatal hit. I'm pretty sure Endure will take all hits of a Multi-Hit move as well so you don't have to worry about them like you would with Substitute. Leichi Berry is for Agility while Salac Berry is for Swords Dance. Leaf Blade gives decent coverage allong with Flail since it hits most Ghosts nuetrally and hits Rocks and Burunkeru SE.
The EVs allow it to outrun a Doryuuzu in Sandstorm with the same Nature after an Agility. Maximum Atk is obvious and the HP EVs allow you to get to 1 HP after 4 Substitutes with the rest in Def. Dustproof really helps this set because it allows Hahakurimo stay alive even in Sandstorm and Hail.
Overall, it's just as gimmicky as any other Flail set but I thought it should be mentioned due to Dustproof.
Edit: You should mention that it gets Dust-Proof as its Dream World Ability. In case anyone's wondering, Grass Whistle has 73.3 Accuracy after one Claw Sharpen and 91.6 Accuracy after two. Gravity and Claw Sharpen gives it perfect Accuracy so this Pokemon does have a use on Gravity teams since it has a double resistance to Ground.
Hahakurimo @ Leichi Berry/Salac Berry
EVs: 24 HP/252 Atk/8 Def/224 Spe
Nature: Adamant/Jolly
Ability: Dustproof
~ Substitute/Endure
~ Agility/Swords Dance
~ Flail
~ Leaf Blade
The idea for this set is simple, Sub down to 1 HP and get your set up move off as they break your last Sub. Alternatively, you can use your set up move as they switch and Endure a fatal hit. I'm pretty sure Endure will take all hits of a Multi-Hit move as well so you don't have to worry about them like you would with Substitute. Leichi Berry is for Agility while Salac Berry is for Swords Dance. Leaf Blade gives decent coverage allong with Flail since it hits most Ghosts nuetrally and hits Rocks and Burunkeru SE.
The EVs allow it to outrun a Doryuuzu in Sandstorm with the same Nature after an Agility. Maximum Atk is obvious and the HP EVs allow you to get to 1 HP after 4 Substitutes with the rest in Def. Dustproof really helps this set because it allows Hahakurimo stay alive even in Sandstorm and Hail.
Overall, it's just as gimmicky as any other Flail set but I thought it should be mentioned due to Dustproof.
Scarftran will outspeed and KO, as well as most anything else with a fire type move and a scarf, like the newly popular Scarfed Shandera.
Despite the weak typing, I can see potential in the little bug- maybe not for the upper tiers, but it has good attack and passable speed with alright defenses. Not seeing him make a huge dent in the game anytime soon, though.
breh
強いだね
Kind of hoped somebody would make a flail set...
Anyway the main reason that I didn't initially include this was because I wasn't too sure that it could really do it well enough at all. Priority is a menace for the bug if it uses this. However, I guess I can add it. Going to use Swords Dance and max speed though; there's no reason to get outsped by base 90s (moltres) or 91s (rotom) when you can outrun them. Sweepers should always run speed boosting natures unless Adamant gains them a specific, important KO.
Will add it though.
Fixed all 4hps to defense.
If you want to go with max/max, just use an HP IV of 29 and put the 4 EVs in Def. This will still get you down to 1 HP after 4 Subs.
breh
強いだね
No need to use 29 IV; 3 HP is the same power for flail and still activates your berry.
70 Sp.Attack isn't horrible why not carry HP Ground?
0 Sp. Atk neutral Hahakomori vs 0/0 Naive Scarf Heatran: 49.5% - 59.4% damage
Well, you do have a point.
Why would you not switch when you see heatrean, and why would you use this guy in a environment with heatran...my brain....on a good note I learned what herp derp means :)
Don't ignore that she has a 70 SpA stat too, enough to go mixed with HP Ground and (possibly) 2HKO heatran.
Edit: Ninja'd
Edit: Ninja'd
Looking at this Pokemon, I saw something, in which I thought, was blatently obvious. Which Pokemin have we said ruins Hahakomori? Heatran. And when you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Say you ran a Sunny Day team...
Hahakomori @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Jolly
252 Spe/ 252 Atk/ 4 Def
Moves
~Swords Dance
~X-Scizor
~Leaf Blade
~Poison Jab/Return/Shadow Claw
And...
Heatran @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Timid
252 Spe/252 Sp.A/4 Sp.D
Moves
~Fire Blast
~Earth Power
Hahakomori @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
Nature: Jolly
252 Spe/ 252 Atk/ 4 Def
Moves
~Swords Dance
~X-Scizor
~Leaf Blade
~Poison Jab/Return/Shadow Claw
And...
Heatran @ Life Orb
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Timid
252 Spe/252 Sp.A/4 Sp.D
Moves
~Fire Blast
~Earth Power
~Hidden Power [Grass] or Hidden Power [Electric]
~Taunt/Explosion/Substitute
Of course, the set outline doesn't have to be the same as posted, the idea is the synergy these two Pokemon offer, especially on a sun team:
-Heatran covers Hahakomori's weakness' to fire , poison , ice , and flying while obtaing a boost for his fire attacks, also boosted by the sun.
-Hahakomori takes Heatrans weakness to ground, fighting , and water and can usually set up on said Pokemon.
-Both Pokemon get a boost in the sun.
-Each of the two attack from different sides of the spectrum.
-Overall, they compliment eachother fantastically.
In short, it's going to be very hard to take down these two, and this Pokemon seems like it's going to be underestimated in this generation.
~Taunt/Explosion/Substitute
Of course, the set outline doesn't have to be the same as posted, the idea is the synergy these two Pokemon offer, especially on a sun team:
-Heatran covers Hahakomori's weakness' to fire , poison , ice , and flying while obtaing a boost for his fire attacks, also boosted by the sun.
-Hahakomori takes Heatrans weakness to ground, fighting , and water and can usually set up on said Pokemon.
-Both Pokemon get a boost in the sun.
-Each of the two attack from different sides of the spectrum.
-Overall, they compliment eachother fantastically.
In short, it's going to be very hard to take down these two, and this Pokemon seems like it's going to be underestimated in this generation.
I forgot about this Pokemon, probably because his mediocre stats....
Nature and EVs aren't that good for that set, IMO. I'd go 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Spe with Jolly. But then again, Hahakomori may be a bit too frail to set up dual screens, unless it's a lead, except that it's outclassed by Deoxys-S (it could work in UU, though).
Poor thing. Same problem as Leafeon in being completely and totally walled by any steel type. It's even outclassed in passing Swords Dance now that Leafeon got Chlorophyll. STAB X-Scissor is definitely not enough to warrant it use over Leafeon. Shame, cuz I used one in game, and it worked decently too, so I rather like this thing =/
xWarJarx is probably on the right track by pairing it with Heatran. I can see this thing CM passing to Heatran on a fire attack. Flash Fire + Sun + CM on Heatran = O__O This has speed over Celebi, so it's not completely outclassed in that department. Passing Agility to Heatran is also nice, because thing things that are aiming to roast this thing are generally faster than and can potentially OHKO Heatran (Infernape, Blaziken after 1 boost, Sazandora, Salamence, etc etc)
xWarJarx is probably on the right track by pairing it with Heatran. I can see this thing CM passing to Heatran on a fire attack. Flash Fire + Sun + CM on Heatran = O__O This has speed over Celebi, so it's not completely outclassed in that department. Passing Agility to Heatran is also nice, because thing things that are aiming to roast this thing are generally faster than and can potentially OHKO Heatran (Infernape, Blaziken after 1 boost, Sazandora, Salamence, etc etc)
Ok, changed those. She's not frail, but she doesn't have stellar defenses.
75/ 80/ 70
Its a better movepool leafeon, i would say
She can Baton Pass Calm Mind and Agility boosts to Magneton, who can then potentially sweep.
...Am I the only one who uses Leavanny in Ubers?
Leavanny @ Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Leaf Blade
- Shadow Claw
As an SD Chlorophyll sweeper in Ubers, this set does great to take down many prominent threats in the tier. Sword Dance boosts its Attack to crazy levels, and can beat specially oriented threats such as Latios, Darkrai, Shaymin Sky Forme, and Palkia in the sun after one Swords Dance, with the combination of X-Scissor and Leaf Blade. Shadow Claw, albeit having redundant coverage to X-Scizzor, hits Lugia for Super Effective damage, and hits everything else for neutral damage, such as Zekrom, Reshiram, and Blaziken. This set does great to check non-Scarfed Kyrogre, outspeeding it with Max Speed and Jolly, and OHKOing after a Swords Dance. Steel-types are a problem, but can easily be dealt with by slapping a Fire-type such as Reshiram or Heatran on its team.
Leavanny @ Life Orb
Trait: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Leaf Blade
- Shadow Claw
As an SD Chlorophyll sweeper in Ubers, this set does great to take down many prominent threats in the tier. Sword Dance boosts its Attack to crazy levels, and can beat specially oriented threats such as Latios, Darkrai, Shaymin Sky Forme, and Palkia in the sun after one Swords Dance, with the combination of X-Scissor and Leaf Blade. Shadow Claw, albeit having redundant coverage to X-Scizzor, hits Lugia for Super Effective damage, and hits everything else for neutral damage, such as Zekrom, Reshiram, and Blaziken. This set does great to check non-Scarfed Kyrogre, outspeeding it with Max Speed and Jolly, and OHKOing after a Swords Dance. Steel-types are a problem, but can easily be dealt with by slapping a Fire-type such as Reshiram or Heatran on its team.