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CAP 3 CAP 3 - Part 3 (New Evolution/New Pokemon Discussion)
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New Species
Short of some ridiculous kind of fire stone evolution on an already Sun-stoned pokemon (Sunflora), Using a New Evolution just limits your movepool options too greatly. You can't just barge in, say "Ditto is now evolving," and then randomly throw in Body Slam, Ice Beam, and Force Palm into its learnset.
New Evos, especially of the kind we're implementing, are either unfounded (evolving a Stone evolution) or too llimited.
Sorry guys, but Sunflora already used a Stone Evolution. It's pretty much done unless you want to violate every precedent set in pokemon.
That and your "fast sweeper" ideas are pretty much blown out of the water if you use Sunflora as a base. Sunflora isn't just going to gain 75 Base Speed because its petals are now on fire.
Short of some ridiculous kind of fire stone evolution on an already Sun-stoned pokemon (Sunflora), Using a New Evolution just limits your movepool options too greatly. You can't just barge in, say "Ditto is now evolving," and then randomly throw in Body Slam, Ice Beam, and Force Palm into its learnset.
New Evos, especially of the kind we're implementing, are either unfounded (evolving a Stone evolution) or too llimited.
Sorry guys, but Sunflora already used a Stone Evolution. It's pretty much done unless you want to violate every precedent set in pokemon.
That and your "fast sweeper" ideas are pretty much blown out of the water if you use Sunflora as a base. Sunflora isn't just going to gain 75 Base Speed because its petals are now on fire.
Evolution of pre-existing species
You all know you want a flaming Carnivine, or an inferno Cherrim.
You all know you want a flaming Carnivine, or an inferno Cherrim.
Um, no I dont
New Species
<insert obligatory "stifling of creativity" comment here>
Besides, I don't think anything not named Cherrim could reasonably become fiery upon evolving. If the type was Grass/Fire, I would support a Sunflora evo, but it's not so I don't want an evolution.
<insert obligatory "stifling of creativity" comment here>
Besides, I don't think anything not named Cherrim could reasonably become fiery upon evolving. If the type was Grass/Fire, I would support a Sunflora evo, but it's not so I don't want an evolution.
New Species
I find that the pro's (ultimate freedom) outweigh the cons here. Indeed, we have to discuss more...but CAP is about the discussions and the fun of it, about the process, so I don't mind at all. People on the Official Shoddy Server who don't understand the project by now probably never will, and whether you make a Sunflora evo or a new one, it is no longer Pokemon as these conservatives know it, so I frankly don't see the deal.
I find that the pro's (ultimate freedom) outweigh the cons here. Indeed, we have to discuss more...but CAP is about the discussions and the fun of it, about the process, so I don't mind at all. People on the Official Shoddy Server who don't understand the project by now probably never will, and whether you make a Sunflora evo or a new one, it is no longer Pokemon as these conservatives know it, so I frankly don't see the deal.
We can always do an alternate evolution instead of a final evolution. Why can't Sunkern evolve into something different using a Fire Stone, for example?
And nobody is forcing us to evolve Sunflora in the first place. It could be any Pokemon.
About the stats, it's not that stats don't affect a Pokemon, but it's actually the movepool and typing that affects a Pokemon's playability more than its stats. Breloom's stats are not too good, yet it's used a lot. Entei, on the other hand, has superb stats, yet it's barely used. Why? Because of their movepool and typing.
And nobody is forcing us to evolve Sunflora in the first place. It could be any Pokemon.
About the stats, it's not that stats don't affect a Pokemon, but it's actually the movepool and typing that affects a Pokemon's playability more than its stats. Breloom's stats are not too good, yet it's used a lot. Entei, on the other hand, has superb stats, yet it's barely used. Why? Because of their movepool and typing.
I think that we should just keep the CAP project to new species, for the simple reason that Nintendo may make their own evolutions some day.
By the way, did we ever send Syclant to Nintendo, or did that fizzle out?
By the way, did we ever send Syclant to Nintendo, or did that fizzle out?
A Pokemon's usability is practically guaranteed to increase from the result of this project, and I have a feeling I will like a Sunflora evolution with decent typing and decent abilities more than I currently like Sunflora.
Fire types that could possibly get an evolution could include Arcanine (although I probably wouldn't change its base stats too much), Rapidash, Ponyta (alternate evolution), Growlithe (alternate evolution), Vulpix (alternate evolution), Torkoal, Magmar (alternate evolution - although this would probably mean we would need something else coming from Electabuzz too), Slugma (alternate evolution) and Magby.
I think that your limited movepool (I assume this is what you intended, not moveset), ability and base stats related statements are somewhat true however. That doesn't mean I am changing my vote! Perhaps we could have some sort of vote to make Grass the primary type now that we have the Fire and Grass types together established (someone suggested this in the other thread, which is also where I got that primary typing thing from).
evolution of an existing species
why not try something new like an evo, as to making some team staple pokemon?
why not try something new like an evo, as to making some team staple pokemon?
Evolution of an existing Species!
Seriously some pokemons need evolutions!And i like a lot the new evolutions of some pokemons,like dusknoir,gallade...
And i would like to see any new pokemon species!Maybe Ice/Dragon?
Dark/psychic?or EVEN Grass/Flying!
Seriously some pokemons need evolutions!And i like a lot the new evolutions of some pokemons,like dusknoir,gallade...
And i would like to see any new pokemon species!Maybe Ice/Dragon?
Dark/psychic?or EVEN Grass/Flying!
New Species
You can easily make the new pokemon an improvement on Sunflora, which is basically the whole point people wanting the evolution, without having to make it an official evolution of Sunflora.
This way, we can both have the re-vamped Sunflora we all wanted or still have the freedom to change its movepool or have a different stat distribution. And also, the art work would be very hard to make if it was an evolution as Sunflora is clearly a grass type pokemon from its sprite whilst the sprite of any new pokemon would have to show that it is mainly a fire type and so the evo would probably not look anything like it.
You can easily make the new pokemon an improvement on Sunflora, which is basically the whole point people wanting the evolution, without having to make it an official evolution of Sunflora.
This way, we can both have the re-vamped Sunflora we all wanted or still have the freedom to change its movepool or have a different stat distribution. And also, the art work would be very hard to make if it was an evolution as Sunflora is clearly a grass type pokemon from its sprite whilst the sprite of any new pokemon would have to show that it is mainly a fire type and so the evo would probably not look anything like it.
*sneaks in casually*
I'd have to go with NEW SPECIES, mainly because of creativity and that sort of thing, as I've stated in the previous CAP projects. After suffering a severe bout of artist's block for the past two months, I finally got over it, and now I have some decent ideas for this 'mon. Hopefully I won't implode and disappear like I did the last project.
I'd have to go with NEW SPECIES, mainly because of creativity and that sort of thing, as I've stated in the previous CAP projects. After suffering a severe bout of artist's block for the past two months, I finally got over it, and now I have some decent ideas for this 'mon. Hopefully I won't implode and disappear like I did the last project.
New Species
We are making a new generation. I know we all would love to evolve some already existing pokemon, but isn't that a lot less fun and a lot more restrictive? Lets stick with New Pokes.
We are making a new generation. I know we all would love to evolve some already existing pokemon, but isn't that a lot less fun and a lot more restrictive? Lets stick with New Pokes.
New Species, mostly because there's no logic behind turning any grass type we have into a part-fire type. I fail to see why a Sunflora/Cherrim/Carnivine evo would have any reason to be on fire. Not even with Pokemon logic.
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Jumpluff and Tropius say hi, not to mention that's not what's hppening here.
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