Other Weather Testing on the CAP Server

[tennisace]

Time Mage is right... i didnt think of that. ah well, sorry to all team leaders.

 

[eric the espeon]

much better battle this time, me V DN (SkarmBlissCounter on smogon). We both had rain teams.

Rules: Evasion Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Timed Battle
eric the espeon sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Dixie Normas sent out Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Rain began to fall!
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Empoleon used Surf.
Bronzong lost 41% of its health.
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Bronzong's attack missed!
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Snorlax fell asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Ludicolo used Leech Seed.
Empoleon was seeded!
Empoleon used Toxic.
Ludicolo was badly poisoned!
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Empoleon's health was sapped by leech seed!
Empoleon lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo regained health!
Ludicolo restored 14% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Pointed stones dug into Ludicolo.
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo used Grass Knot.
Ludicolo lost 41% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo used Grass Knot.
Snorlax lost 22% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 19% of its health.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Snorlax is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Kabutops used Swords Dance.
Kabutops's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Kabutops used Stone Edge.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 50% of its health.
Empoleon used Grass Knot.
It's super effective!
Kabutops lost 109% of its health.
Kabutops hung on using its Focus Sash!
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
Kabutops used Stone Edge.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 37% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Metagross used Pursuit.
Kabutops lost 52% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kabutops fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon: dam
Dixie Normas: lol
Dixie Normas: I need defense evs on empo
eric the espeon switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Metagross used Pursuit.
Bronzong lost 21% of its health.
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
But it failed!
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: what?
eric the espeon: oh yea..
eric the espeon: dam
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong used Gyro Ball.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas: lol
eric the espeon switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Empoleon used Surf.
It's not very effective...
Kyogre lost 35% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre.
Kyogre lost 12% of its health.
Kyogre used Thunder.
It's super effective!
Kyogre lost 73% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Kyogre used Thunder.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Kyogre lost 140% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kyogre fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon: bah
Dixie Normas: humbug
eric the espeon: i had max + scarf too
Dixie Normas: pokemon is gay
eric the espeon switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Kingdra used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Kyogre lost 59% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Kyogre fainted.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Kingdra used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 33% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
Empoleon flinched!
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas: blah
eric the espeon: revenge..
Kingdra used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Empoleon lost 70% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Empoleon fainted.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Dixie Normas: fak
eric the espeon: yea...
Dixie Normas: forgot about the rocks
Kingdra used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Zapdos lost 60% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
Zapdos used Thunder.
Kingdra lost 70% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kingdra fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: crap
Dixie Normas: how much sp atk
eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Ludicolo used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Zapdos lost 105% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Zapdos fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: max i thoght
Dixie Normas switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
eric the espeon: 244 no nature
Ludicolo used Leech Seed.
Snorlax was seeded!
Snorlax is fast asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
Snorlax's health was sapped by leech seed!
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo regained health!
Ludicolo restored 19% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas: evs/
eric the espeon: 244 evs
Dixie Normas: forgot it was bloody sleping
Ludicolo used Surf.
Snorlax lost 29% of its health.
Snorlax is fast asleep!
Snorlax used Sleep Talk.
Snorlax used Crunch.
Ludicolo lost 29% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 19% of its health.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
Snorlax's health was sapped by leech seed!
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo regained health!
Ludicolo restored 19% of its health.
---
Ludicolo used Surf.
Snorlax lost 31% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Snorlax fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Ludicolo is hurt by poison!
Ludicolo lost 25% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Pointed stones dug into Ludicolo.
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo used Grass Knot.
A critical hit!
Ludicolo lost 94% of its health.
eric the espeon's Ludicolo fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Garchomp used Outrage.
Garchomp went on a rampage!
Ludicolo lost 96% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Ludicolo fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon: :-)
Dixie Normas: jolly scarf cross
eric the espeon: yup
Dixie Normas: yer off yer 'ed
Dixie Normas switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
eric the espeon: it worked
Garchomp used Outrage.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 22% of its health.
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
Garchomp lost 95% of its health.
Garchomp's rampage ended.
Garchomp became confused!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas: gg
eric the espeon: gg
eric the espeon switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
Metagross's attack missed!
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 39% of its health.
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Metagross fell asleep!
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Metagross is fast asleep!
Bronzong used Gyro Ball.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Metagross is fast asleep!
Bronzong used Explosion.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 49% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Metagross fainted.
eric the espeon wins!
eric the espeon: gg
Dixie Normas: gg
eric the espeon: well
eric the espeon: rain V rain is funny
Dixie Normas: yeh
Dixie Normas: i thought empoleon would take kaboutops
eric the espeon: mm
Dixie Normas: and kindgra
eric the espeon: but maybe not
eric the espeon: both
Dixie Normas: Ludicolo has a lot of potential
eric the espeon: yes
Dixie Normas: I've been trying to seed blissey/snorlax
eric the espeon: it is dam strong
Dixie Normas: then pursuit with meta
eric the espeon: interesting
eric the espeon: I just try to win.... no realy stratergy
Dixie Normas: lol
eric the espeon: just some good rain pokeys
eric the espeon: so
Dixie Normas: kabutops is bloody strong
eric the espeon: are you going to post the log?
eric the espeon: or should I?
eric the espeon: it was a decent battle
Dixie Normas: you might as well
eric the espeon: ok

 

[sbc]

Kingdra and Kabutops are specifically the reasons I used Empoleon. Empoleon makes a good counter to Kabutops with grass knot although it cannot really do anything to Kingdra.

OK, I battled Eric again:

Rules: Evasion Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Timed Battle
eric the espeon sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Dixie Normas sent out Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Rain began to fall!
Dixie Normas: is this normal team?
Kyogre used Water Spout.
Bronzong lost 65% of its health.
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
The rain continues to fall.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Bass has entered the room.
eric the espeon switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Kyogre used Water Spout.
It's not very effective...
Kingdra lost 30% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Kingdra used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 34% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Kingdra used Draco Meteor.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 23% of its health.
Kingdra's special attack was harshly lowered.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
Empoleon used Grass Knot.
Kingdra lost 31% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Dixie Normas switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Zapdos used Thunder.
Bronzong lost 42% of its health.
Bronzong is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Bronzong's attack missed!
The rain continues to fall.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
Bass: I just realized that Empoleon is actually a good counter to rain teams
eric the espeon: dam..
Zapdos used Thunder.
Bronzong lost 42% of its health.
eric the espeon's Bronzong fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
Dixie Normas switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
Kingdra used Draco Meteor.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 40% of its health.
Kingdra's special attack was harshly lowered.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Kingdra used Waterfall.
Snorlax lost 65% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kingdra fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Kabutops used Stone Edge.
Kabutops's attack missed!
Snorlax used Body Slam.
It's not very effective...
Kabutops lost 20% of its health.
Kabutops is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
The rain continues to fall.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: awww noooo
eric the espeon: superhaxed
NinjaBunny has entered the room.
NinjaBunny has left the room.
Dixie Normas: ;)
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Kabutops used Stone Edge.
It's not very effective...
Empoleon lost 28% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
Empoleon used Grass Knot.
It's super effective!
Kabutops lost 108% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kabutops fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Empoleon's leftovers restored its health a little!
Empoleon restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Dixie Normas switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Garchomp used Outrage.
Garchomp went on a rampage!
Zapdos lost 50% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Zapdos's leftovers restored its health a little!
Zapdos restored 6% of its health.
---
Dixie Normas: blah
Garchomp used Outrage.
Zapdos lost 48% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Zapdos fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
Pointed stones dug into Metagross.
Metagross lost 6% of its health.
Garchomp used Outrage.
It's not very effective...
Metagross lost 23% of its health.
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
Metagross's attack missed!
Garchomp's rampage ended.
Garchomp became confused!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas: bleh
eric the espeon switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Metagross used Meteor Mash.
It's not very effective...
Kyogre lost 76% of its health.
Metagross's attack was raised.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Kyogre used Thunder.
Metagross lost 30% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Metagross fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Pointed stones dug into Ludicolo.
Ludicolo lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo used Grass Knot.
It's super effective!
Kyogre lost 182% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kyogre fainted.
Ludicolo lost 10% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Garchomp used Outrage.
Garchomp went on a rampage!
Ludicolo lost 99% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Ludicolo fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Dixie Normas switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Pointed stones dug into Kyogre.
Kyogre lost 12% of its health.
Garchomp used Outrage.
Kyogre lost 121% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Kyogre fainted.
Garchomp's rampage ended.
Garchomp became confused!
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon: gogo JOLLY
Dixie Normas switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Dixie Normas: bluh
eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Snorlax used Rest.
Snorlax fell asleep!
Snorlax restored 78% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Ludicolo used Leech Seed.
Snorlax was seeded!
Snorlax is fast asleep!
Snorlax used Sleep Talk.
Snorlax used Crunch.
Ludicolo lost 30% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Snorlax's health was sapped by leech seed!
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo regained health!
Ludicolo restored 19% of its health.
---
Ludicolo used Surf.
A critical hit!
Snorlax lost 61% of its health.
Snorlax is fast asleep!
Snorlax used Sleep Talk.
Snorlax used Body Slam.
Ludicolo lost 45% of its health.
Ludicolo is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Snorlax's leftovers restored its health a little!
Snorlax restored 6% of its health.
Snorlax's health was sapped by leech seed!
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo regained health!
Ludicolo restored 19% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: dam para
Ludicolo used Surf.
Snorlax lost 30% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Snorlax fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
---
eric the espeon: oh well
eric the espeon: gg
Dixie Normas: lol
Dixie Normas: slow shit
Dixie Normas: gg
Dixie Normas switched in Empoleon (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).
Pointed stones dug into Empoleon.
Empoleon lost 6% of its health.
Empoleon used Grass Knot.
Ludicolo lost 20% of its health.
Ludicolo used Grass Knot.
Empoleon lost 24% of its health.
Dixie Normas's Empoleon fainted.
eric the espeon wins!
eric the espeon: not bad
eric the espeon: chomp is good
eric the espeon: as in empolieon
Dixie Normas: how can empoleon pose a threat to kingdra
eric the espeon: mmm
eric the espeon: SD?
Dixie Normas: what does aqua jet do to kabutops after a sd
eric the espeon: dunno
Dixie Normas: I think priority moves are neccesary
Dixie Normas: or a fast scarfer
eric the espeon: yes
Dixie Normas: for rain team countering
eric the espeon: a very fast one
eric the espeon: like Gengar
Dixie Normas: yeah
eric the espeon: or Jolly Chomp
eric the espeon: with max speed
Dixie Normas: yeah
eric the espeon: your turn to post the log
Dixie Normas: ok

We both agreed that you need some real speed, as in strong priority moves or scarfers, and we're talking about jollychomp or timidgar scarf speed. The amount of speed that swift swimmers can reach is mind-bending and they still can run attack boosting natures.

 

[Instinctive]

I would love to make a ss team, I would like to try and abuse it against other weather users.

 

[tennisace]

hawt damn rain is strong... Kingdra is ultra deadly, and Kabutops is too.

 

[GuyNamedBlaq23]

I would like to be on the brown team if the Brown Team leader would allow it

 

[DougJustDoug]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is supposed to test the effects of weather, not NOT if Kyogre / Groudon are viable in OU at level 78, correct? If so, posts talking specifically about Kyogre and Groudon are off topic to this whole discussion, since they will not be moved down to OU.

We are using lvl 78 ubers just to gauge the impact of auto-weather. They will NOT be moved down to OU -- at level 78 or otherwise. This is only a test of weather.

Groudon and Kyogre will be used to test permanent auto-weather.
Groudino and Kyogrette will be used to test turn-limited auto-weather.

All of these pokes will be eliminated after the testing period. Nothing is going to change with uber/OU tiering. But hopefully, we will know more about weather before we consider making a new auto-weather poke in the CAP project.

 

[tennisace]

are you going to make them now?

 

[Mr. Hadwick]

By the way, I'm guessing we're not allowed to use Groudon/Kyogre Groudino/Kyogrette in the mini-tourneys?

 

[tennisace]

lol no. with the power that ive seen, no.

 

[Lord Gloom]

I guess I would personally prefer Groudonino.

 

[Sunday]

Put me down on the roster for the mine Kyogre team please Tennis, tbh I'll be glad to have a little less pressure this close to midyear exams.

 

[Luck]

We are using lvl 78 ubers just to gauge the impact of auto-weather. They will NOT be moved down to OU -- at level 78 or otherwise. This is only a test of weather.

Groudon and Kyogre will be used to test permanent auto-weather.
Groudino and Kyogrette will be used to test turn-limited auto-weather.

All of these pokes will be eliminated after the testing period. Nothing is going to change with uber/OU tiering. But hopefully, we will know more about weather before we consider making a new auto-weather poke in the CAP project.

What are the ground for a successful or unsuccessful test? I am interested in testing but if the end result does not lead to some sort of successful conclusion what was the point.So far other than eric logs the some feedback has been "duh" we already knew that stuff

1.Kingdra is monster in the rain.Yes we knew that already it out speeds everything,Its water attack hits harder in the rain.It has one weakness and solid enough not to be revenge killed.

2.Water types have slight advantage.We knew that already they are more water types in game than any other type and they versatile enough that you can stick couple on team without causing a big weakness.Fire types and Grass types(types that get advantage the sun) screw each other in sunny day.Also finally Water has an advantage over Ground and Rock.So a water weather changer controls the the weather war because rock and ground type don't want to switch in a water type,and water type is not afraid to switch on a ground or rock type.

Couple things

--The most important part of this test to should be against standard teams.The whole point of this exercise is that

A.Weather teams are to strong for the current metagame
B.Weather teams change the game way to much

--Part B of this how well are the standard walls aka Blissey,Cresse,etc standing up against weather teams

-- Should the weather changer for the sunny day be a ground type?Ideally would water beat fire,ice beats water,fire beats ice,rock beat fire be the type of thing that we are shooting for.Also if we do ever make sunny weather 5 turn changer the likelihood of it being it fire or grass is way higher than a ground type.It would be a better test with one of those type i think.


I am going to put together something like 2 standard team and weather killing team if i am let on control clear team.

 

[RobertM]

OK, what if we make the auto weather poke so useless that it is only dead-weight for anything other than weather? Tyranitar and Hippowdon are both capable of doing things themselves. Abamoasnow sucks a bit, but at least he has a few useful resistances so he can switch in and out a few times...

I'm thinking a poke with a crapload of counters and nothing that great besides weather. Low stats, bad movepool, worst typing available. Essentially it's only for weather support and you basically have 5 pokes because of it.

 

[tennisace]

like level one kyogre/groudon?

 

[RobertM]

I was thinking something like Glalie, but without useful stab and a worse movepool. Maybe base 70-75 instead of 80s across the board.

Only problem I see is that Tyranitar would utterly destroy a rain team with Pursuit and Sand Stream if we make the weather-poke this weak....

 

[DougJustDoug]

The point of this test is to stop the theorymon and start gathering evidence. There is not going to be an objective measurement at the end of it. But, hopefully we'll have some real gameplay feedback to back up our opinions, instead of conjecture.

I'd propose we test with something along the lines of the following:

All teams must be played to the "spirit" of their theme.
This does not mean you have to start weather if the opponent is able to be beaten without it. But, Weather teams should be built to use weather. By the same token, Clear teams should not have any auto-weather pokes on them.

Matchups between players should be played in sets of three battles.
The first two battles are played normally, with each team free to change up pokes or teams in between battles. However, if one team wins the first two battles, they are restricted in the third battle. They must use the exact same team as they used in the second battle.

The idea here is that if you won the first two, you are likely to win the third. So, to give the losing team an advantage, they get to build a team to attempt to beat you specifically. If a team goes 3-0 in these circumstances then we really need to look at that matchup. With decent players, a 3-0 result is a very strong indicator of an unfair advantage to the winner. Presumably, weather being the unfair element.

After the three matches, discuss with your opponent and draw mutual conclusions. Each matchup does not need to yield clear evidence on how much weather affected the game. It's OK if battler skill was uneven or if the pokemon matchups were really bad for one side. Perhaps luck will play too big a part and obscure the results. There's really no "wrong" answer here. Just spend a little time after the match and compare notes with each other.

Decide which log (or logs) is most representative of your conclusions and post it here. We don't need full warstories. All logs should be wrapped in CODE tags, with commentary above and/or below the logs. It doesn't need to be elaborate.​

Posting logs is the most important part of the test. We have to be able to refer to battle logs in order to discuss findings. We'll discuss the logs here and see if we can develop a community consensus on weather. Even if opinions are divided, at least we'll have more information on the topic, if and when we discuss a weather concept for a future CAP project.

For some reason, we have had problems getting actual logs posted in the past. People have been screaming bloody murder about Syclant. But every time I ask for logs, few are willing to post. Perhaps people think their play will be ridiculed. I don't know.

For this reason, I'm laying out a warning right now to everyone --

If you comment on a battle log posted here, you damn well better be respectful of the people that are participating in the test.

If anyone demeans, insults or otherwise chastises the play of any of the participants in this test, you will be moderated immediately. This applies to everyone. I want testers to be free to post logs without a bunch of smug assholes making them regret their decision to contribute to the project.

That doesn't mean you need to lie about the logs. If someone gets clearly beaten by a more skilled player, then that's what happened. But, there are nice ways to say it, and there are rude ways to say it. If you aren't sure how to say something nicely, then I suggest you keep your comments to yourself. Remember this: If you are mean to anyone here -- I am going to be mean to you. You have been warned.

I'm really looking forward to the results. Testing this stuff should be very interesting. Let's keep it light and keep it fun. We aren't changing the world here. We're just playing Pokemon....

 

[SoT]

Well doug told me to post in here in order to help with the testing purposes, so if it is alright if I would like to join Team Kyogrette.

 

[Oxymoron]

Yeah, sign me up for the red team. I never see any sun teams besides the one I use every now and then.

 

[MegaBuddha]

In for team purple, if possible.

 

[alive]

i would prefer teams blue, purple or clear. i would gladly go on any of them.

 

[eric the espeon]

The plan was to make the new Pokemon around as strong as Abomnasnow, maybe a bit weaker. I really don't think we have much chance of voting in a Pokemon with 70-75s across the board, we need something weak but that can do a bit more than weather support.

all the stuff DJD said looks fine.

Right now onto the main issue, even if I am not allowed to join more then one team, I will most certenly have a test of some of the others.

 

[Mekkah]

I think it is just as important that the "Clear teams" are tested against "normal teams (as they were)" and other "Clear teams". I mean, let's say this test forces you to use Golduck and Clefable to beat weather teams, then you will probably perform worse against non-weather teams.

 

[Time Mage]

I'm planning to use first my OU teams, without modifications, and then start modifying them to adapt to the weather teams, but trying to not use gimmick solutions if possible. Then, of course, test the modified teams against normal teams.

 

[eric the espeon]

This is an idea of how a Swift Swimmer can sweep if you dont have a specific counter:

Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle
eric the espeon sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Navarre sent out Slaking (lvl 100 Slaking ?).
Navarre switched in Dusknoir (lvl 100 Dusknoir ?).
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Dusknoir fell asleep!
---
T_chaos has entered the room.
Navarre switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
---
eric the espeon switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Rain began to fall!
Skarmory used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered everywhere!
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
The rain continues to fall.
---
T_chaos: hi guys i'm new here
eric the espeon: hi
eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
Kabutops was hurt by Spikes!
Kabutops lost 12% of its health.
Navarre switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Navarre switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory.
Skarmory lost 12% of its health.
Kabutops used Swords Dance.
Kabutops's attack was sharply raised.
The rain continues to fall.
Skarmory's leftovers restored its health a little!
Skarmory restored 6% of its health.
---
T_chaos: how to get a pokemon?
T_chaos has left the room.
Navarre: ask the old man in viridian
Navarre: he has pro tips
eric the espeon: lol..
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Skarmory lost 82% of its health.
Skarmory used Spikes.
Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
The rain continues to fall.
Skarmory's leftovers restored its health a little!
Skarmory restored 6% of its health.
---
Navarre: GOD
eric the espeon: yes...
eric the espeon: dotn leave
Navarre switched in Dusknoir (lvl 100 Dusknoir ?).
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Dusknoir.
Dusknoir lost 12% of its health.
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Dusknoir lost 99% of its health.
Navarre's Dusknoir fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
eric the espeon: wow...
Navarre: ...........................
Navarre switched in Snorlax (lvl 100 Snorlax ?).
Pointed stones dug into Snorlax.
Snorlax lost 12% of its health.
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Snorlax lost 108% of its health.
Navarre's Snorlax fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
piledriver12300 has entered the room.
eric the espeon: holy crap...
Navarre: dude what the fuck
Navarre: for real though
Navarre: you didnt even swords dance
eric the espeon: i did
eric the espeon: on the switch
eric the espeon: to skarm
Navarre switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Blissey used Protect.
Blissey protected itself!
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Blissey protected itself!
The rain continues to fall.
---
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Blissey lost 123% of its health.
Navarre's Blissey fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Navarre switched in Miltank (lvl 100 Miltank ?).
Pointed stones dug into Miltank.
Miltank lost 12% of its health.
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Miltank lost 115% of its health.
Navarre's Miltank fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Navarre switched in Slaking (lvl 100 Slaking ?).
Pointed stones dug into Slaking.
Slaking lost 12% of its health.
Slaking used Return.
It's not very effective...
Kabutops lost 62% of its health.
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Slaking lost 105% of its health.
Navarre's Slaking fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
---
Navarre switched in Skarmory (lvl 100 Skarmory ?).
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory.
Skarmory lost 12% of its health.
Kabutops used Waterfall.
Skarmory lost 79% of its health.
Navarre's Skarmory fainted.
eric the espeon wins!
Navarre: k fuck that
Navarre has left the room.
eric the espeon: gg
piledriver12300 has left the room.
piledriver12300 has entered the room.
piledriver12300: battle?
eric the espeon: should i post this?
eric the espeon: yes ok
piledriver12300: yea
eric the espeon: but lemme post first
piledriver12300: k

He was not the best player and made a few mistakes, but it was the raw power of Kabutops that let me sweep with such ease.