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- Thread starter tennisace
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Put me in for Clear team I guess. Why not....
Yea and it has more speed than Jolly Scarf Chomp or maxed out Deoxys-S when its under the rain.
The big 3 Rain abusers IMO are Kindra, Ludicolo and Kabutops:
Kingdra: is actually the easiest of them to stop as far as I have seen, extremely bulky waters (CM Suicune, Hypnosis Milotic, Empoleon) can wall it or at least slow it down enough to cripple it or make LO recoil add up, and faster Swift Swimmers (and extremely fast Scarfers) can revenge it.
It is still incredibly powerful though.
Ludicolo: Not a straight forward sweeper like the other two, but unlike the others you can't wear it down or wait for LO recoil to add up due to its leach seed fitting onto the now Rain Danceless set. It can outspeed and 1-2KO all but the bulkiest sweepers, and good luck trying to 1KO it back. All the strongest Sp. walls are worn down by Leach Seed which lets it recover health at an alarming rate against a Snorlax or Blissey.
Possibly the most threatening, it will slowly stall through your walls and blast through you sweepers if you don't have one of the few Pokemon that can take a double STAB Surf, a Ice Beam, or a STAB Grass Knot and 1KO it back.
Kabutops: As Mekkah said after a SD its Waterfall is stupidly powerful, it has the power to 2KO virtually all physical walls, and 1KOs a good number of very bulky Pokemon (Snorlax, Hippwodon, Blissey) and the few Pokemon that can take 2 double STAB hits from 722 attack still have to risk the 20% flinch from Waterfall, which also has 100% accuracy. To back it up it has STAB Stone Edge and a choice of X-Scissor, Brick Break, or Return.
Swift Swim gives it greater speed than maxed out Deoxys-S, not something that can be beaten to easily, in fact you need to approach Scarf Gengar speed to outspeed Kabutops in the rain.
Extremely deadly if you let it get a SD, really once it has set up it is almost gg time.
Notable others:
Specs Omastar (SS and 115 base Sp. attack)
CB/LO Floatzel (Stupidly fast with rain, I am talking faster than a boosted Ninjask here. decent attack/movepool for CB)
Specs Gorebyss (1 less sp. attack than Omstar, better movepool and typing, SS)
Qwilfish (fast BOOM and Toxi Spikes setup, also SD)
CB Relicanth (STAB Head Smash (will take recoil due to having SS>Rock Head) off almost 600 attack+over 400 speed FTW)
Toxicroak (nice immunity and healing from the boosted water attacks, and a 12.5% healing from rain. Many possible sets.)
DD/CB Gyrados
anything else?
mm.. ok adding that.
I'd like to be apart of the Red team please.
Well, Timid, scarfed gengar can switch in on the SD and 1HKO Kabutops with thunder bolt or focus blast, so long as kabutops is Adamant. Specs deoxys-E puts a bit of pain on with focus blast as well. I don't think tops likes any of the hitmons too much, considering they each learn mach punch and have something to boost it with (or you can intimidate him, wtver). Swampert can threaten roar or earthquake if you have CB or something, although he'll take a chunk from waterfall. Those are the main counters I can think of currently.
Really almost nothing can switch into it and live, what some things can do is revenge wall it, like switch in after a kill survive a hit and KO back.
Tangrowth can make a decent switch into Kabutops, as can Quagsire as it doesn't have to worry about a SD Waterfall and resists Stone Edge and it can shrug off X-Scissor and Brick Break. They can both hit back with a STAB Power Whip/Leaf Storm or Earthquake though. Though they don't have the best recovery (Tangrowth can't Morning Sun in the rain, and all Quag has is Leftovers gain. =/).
Here's a log of me facing eric earlier today. This was the third battle (I had lost twice, but we both forgot to save them). I was using a Clear team while he was using a Blue (lv 78 Kyorge team):
Code:
Rules: Evasion Clause, Extended Game, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Timed Battle
Code:
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup sent out <Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: (lvl 100 Zapdos).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: is exerting its pressure![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: right[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]LifeSavers has entered the room.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: can make it 3:0?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: *I[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Probably.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: used U-turn.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A critical hit![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong lost 21% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong used Hypnosis.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: fell asleep![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't forget to trim your bushes>: (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: (lvl 100 Zapdos).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: is exerting its pressure![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo used Leech Seed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: was seeded![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: used Roost.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: restored 13% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp used Outrage.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp went on a rampage![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: lost 44% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: used Hidden Power.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It's super effective![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp lost 82% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't go screwin' around in power plants>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp restored 13% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: (lvl 100 Empoleon ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp used Outrage.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It's not very effective...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: lost 33% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp's rampage ended.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp became confused![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: is fast asleep![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: used Sleep Talk.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: used Hidden Power.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It's super effective![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops lost 63% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't let penguins rise to power in France>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: crap[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't forget to trim your bushes>: (lvl 100 Tangrowth ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops used Swords Dance.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops's attack was sharply raised.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops used X-Scissor.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It's super effective![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: lost 60% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: used Sleep Powder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops fell asleep![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: used Leech Seed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong was seeded![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't forget to trim your bushes>: restored 10% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup switched in <Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: (lvl 100 Revenankh ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong used Stealth Rock.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Bulk Up.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s attack was raised.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s defence was raised.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Shadow Sneak.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]A critical hit![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Garchomp lost 32% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Garchomp fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: -_-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra used Surf.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 33% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra lost 10% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s attack missed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra used Surf.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 30% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra lost 10% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Moonlight.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 50% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra used Surf.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 33% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra lost 10% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra lost 64% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Shadow Sneak.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kingdra lost 7% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Kingdra fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: oh yea[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: gotta seed it first[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo used Leech Seed.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: was seeded![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo lost 69% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo restored 13% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]It's super effective![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kabutops lost 37% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Kabutops fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]lord aaron has entered the room.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Rain began to fall![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Shadow Sneak.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre lost 37% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre used Thunder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre's attack missed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre restored 17% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: =)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre used Thunder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 18% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Moonlight.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 46% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre restored 17% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre used Thunder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 17% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Bulk Up.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s attack was raised.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s defence was raised.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre restored 3% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre used Thunder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 19% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Moonlight.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 50% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 4% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre used Thunder.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre's attack missed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Kyogre lost 100% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Kyogre fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo used Surf.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 26% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Ludicolo lost 50% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Ludicolo fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: gg[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: finally I didn't do something dumb with Revvy[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: gg[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong used Gyro Ball.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 4% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Hammer Arm.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong lost 68% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s speed was lowered.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]The rain continues to fall.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s leftovers restored its health a little![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: restored 6% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>:'s health was sapped by leech seed![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: lost 12% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong regained health![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong restored 13% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]---[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]<Don't explore tombs that have mummies in them>: used Shadow Sneak.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Bronzong lost 24% of its health.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon's Bronzong fainted.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup wins![/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: mmm[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: did you read the rule about no air lock on clear team?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: That's not a rule.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: It says it's optional.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Doesn't it?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: really?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: I don't know.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: This may or may not include Air Lock/Cloud Nine pokemon.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: I can't get on Smogon right now.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: this is a copy/paste[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: Division 7: Control "Clear Team" (Just a standard team.) Roster: Time Mage Purpose: Dane's idea. Basically create a standard no-weather changing team. This may or may not include Air Lock/Cloud Nine pokemon.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: So it's optional.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: no[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: this may not include[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Yes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: May or may not.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: so it cant include[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: ahh[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: That means it can but doesn't have to.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]lord aaron has left the room.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: thas an ambiguity[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: oh yes[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: i was wrong[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: ops[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]LifeSavers has left the room.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: oh well.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: well ggs[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Lets show the first and last warstory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: gg[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: did you save them?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: I did not..[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: oops[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Me either.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: crapz[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: ...[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: oh well, just say eric sweept me slowly with Ludi after Revenankh went down[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Yeah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: twice[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: yeah[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: lol[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: I was about to say that.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: ok[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: so you posting it?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: Can you post them.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: can you?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: I can't use internet while I'm using Shoddy.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: i kinda have to go 23 minets ago[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: But in a few minutes yes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: kk[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: right[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]Alphabet_Soup: I'll do it after I leave.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: ok[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon: bye[/SIZE]
[SIZE=2]eric the espeon has left the room.[/SIZE]The other two battles were him slowly beating Revenankh because of small mistakes on my part and then sweeping with Ludi.
air lock revenankh would probably be up there for the best kabutops counter.
The main problem I've encountered using kyogre is that it is hard to keep alive and that teams with auto-sand can simply just keep wearing it down because it is hard to switch it in and ttar and hippowdon are going to outsurvive it almost every time and ruin your whole strategy.
The main problem I've encountered using kyogre is that it is hard to keep alive and that teams with auto-sand can simply just keep wearing it down because it is hard to switch it in and ttar and hippowdon are going to outsurvive it almost every time and ruin your whole strategy.
Even if a Max HP / Defense Revenankh is used, Watefall from Kabutops 2HKO's after a Swords Dance. And yes, I did remember Air Lock neuters the Rain boost.
The best Kabutops counter is Quagsire, who has Water Absorb, a resistance to Rock, and only a 10% chance of being 2HKO'd by a boosted X-Scissor.
The best Kabutops counter is Quagsire, who has Water Absorb, a resistance to Rock, and only a 10% chance of being 2HKO'd by a boosted X-Scissor.
Well I just had a decent match with Jrrrr(don't know how many rrr's), it shows that a rain team can hold its own against a team with sand even if Kyorge goes down.
Code:
Rules: Evasion Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Sleep Clause, Species Clause, Timed Battle
jrrrrrrr sent out Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
eric the espeon sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
IggyBot has entered the room.
eric the espeon: this is for the weather test ok?
Zapdos used U-turn.
Bronzong lost 11% of its health.
jrrrrrrr: i dont know what that is but sure
jrrrrrrr switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Forretress fell asleep!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
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eric the espeon: I have a lv78 weather Uber
jrrrrrrr switched in Heracross (lvl 100 Heracross ?).
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
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Heracross used Megahorn.
Heracross's attack missed!
Bronzong used Explosion.
Heracross lost 174% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Heracross fainted.
eric the espeon's Bronzong fainted.
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jrrrrrrr: i bet its kyogre
jrrrrrrr switched in Zapdos (lvl 100 Zapdos).
eric the espeon switched in Kyogre (lvl 78 Kyogre).
Zapdos is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Zapdos.
Zapdos lost 25% of its health.
Kyogre's Drizzle caused a storm!
Rain began to fall!
eric the espeon: yea
IggyBot: rain is broken as hell
eric the espeon: thats the test
IggyBot: I think we can all agree on that
IggyBot: honestly
Zapdos used Thunder Wave.
Kyogre is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Kyogre used Water Spout.
Zapdos lost 87% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Zapdos fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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IggyBot: what stops Kabutops
jrrrrrrr switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Garchomp.
Garchomp lost 6% of its health.
eric the espeon: not much
IggyBot: Quagsire does
jrrrrrrr: MY FISTS
Garchomp used Earthquake.
Kyogre lost 85% of its health.
Kyogre used Water Spout.
Garchomp lost 12% of its health.
The rain continues to fall.
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Garchomp used Earthquake.
Kyogre lost 85% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kyogre fainted.
The rain continues to fall.
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IggyBot: also jrrrrrrr's fists
eric the espeon switched in Kingdra (lvl 100 Kingdra ?).
jrrrrrrr switched in Tyranitar (lvl 100 Tyranitar ?).
Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
The rain stopped.
A sandstorm brewed!
Pointed stones dug into Tyranitar.
Tyranitar lost 12% of its health.
Kingdra used Ice Beam.
Tyranitar lost 20% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Tyranitar's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tyranitar restored 6% of its health.
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Taco reaver has entered the room.
eric the espeon: crap
IggyBot: lol
eric the espeon: should have saved Kyorge
Kingdra used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 68% of its health.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
Tyranitar used Crunch.
Kingdra lost 51% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
Tyranitar's leftovers restored its health a little!
Tyranitar restored 6% of its health.
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Kingdra used Surf.
It's super effective!
Tyranitar lost 63% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Tyranitar fainted.
Kingdra lost 10% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Kingdra is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Kingdra lost 6% of its health.
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jrrrrrrr switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Garchomp.
Garchomp lost 6% of its health.
Garchomp used Earthquake.
Kingdra lost 61% of its health.
eric the espeon's Kingdra fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
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IggyBot: CB Garchomp <3
eric the espeon switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
jrrrrrrr switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Gliscor.
Gliscor lost 12% of its health.
Garchomp used Outrage.
Garchomp went on a rampage!
Gliscor lost 37% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
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Garchomp used Outrage.
Gliscor lost 39% of its health.
Gliscor used Roost.
Gliscor restored 50% of its health.
Garchomp's rampage ended.
Garchomp became confused!
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
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eric the espeon switched in Ludicolo (lvl 100 Ludicolo ?).
Gliscor used Roost.
Gliscor restored 50% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ludicolo is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
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jrrrrrrr switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
Pointed stones dug into Forretress.
Forretress lost 12% of its health.
Ludicolo used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Forretress lost 19% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Ludicolo is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Forretress's leftovers restored its health a little!
Forretress restored 6% of its health.
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Taco reaver: Sand team?
Ludicolo used Surf.
Forretress lost 57% of its health.
Forretress is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Ludicolo is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
Forretress's leftovers restored its health a little!
Forretress restored 6% of its health.
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IggyBot: I don't think there's such thing as a sand team
IggyBot: just teams with sand
Ludicolo used Surf.
Forretress lost 66% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Forretress fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Ludicolo is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
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jrrrrrrr switched in Garchomp (lvl 100 Garchomp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Garchomp.
Garchomp lost 6% of its health.
Garchomp used Outrage.
Garchomp went on a rampage!
Ludicolo lost 83% of its health.
Ludicolo used Ice Beam.
It's super effective!
Garchomp lost 127% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Garchomp fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Ludicolo is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Ludicolo lost 6% of its health.
Ludicolo's leftovers restored its health a little!
Ludicolo restored 6% of its health.
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Taco reaver: :P
jrrrrrrr switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
Pointed stones dug into Gliscor.
Gliscor lost 12% of its health.
Gliscor used Ice Fang.
A critical hit!
Ludicolo lost 39% of its health.
eric the espeon's Ludicolo fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
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Taco reaver: No one cares what you think iggy
Taco reaver: jk jk XD
eric the espeon switched in Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ?).
jrrrrrrr: good i didnt need the crit
Kabutops used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 49% of its health.
Gliscor used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Kabutops lost 78% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
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Kabutops used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 48% of its health.
Gliscor used Roost.
Gliscor restored 50% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
---
Kabutops used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 51% of its health.
Gliscor flinched!
The sandstorm rages.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
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jrrrrrrr: ugh
eric the espeon: gg
Kabutops used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Gliscor lost 51% of its health.
jrrrrrrr's Gliscor fainted.
eric the espeon wins!
jrrrrrrr: wheres my sand viel
IggyBot has left the room.
eric the espeon: well
jrrrrrrr: gg i guess
eric the espeon: 20% flinch
jrrrrrrr: kyogre was weird >_>
eric the espeon: 25% Sand Veil
eric the espeon: really?
eric the espeon: its just normal Scarf
eric the espeon: at Lv 78
jrrrrrrr: well ive never heard of this weather test
jrrrrrrr: and i didnt know how fast it was at lv 100 let alone 78
Taco reaver has left the room.
eric the espeon: its for the CaP server
jrrrrrrr: ohh
eric the espeon: and max w scarf is 358
jrrrrrrr: i should have thunderbolted with zapdos instead of paralyzing your kyogre
eric the espeon: yea
eric the espeon: i thought that was odd
jrrrrrrr: oh well, neat idea i guess
jrrrrrrr: the weather thing that is
jrrrrrrr: gg
eric the espeon: thanx
jrrrrrrr has left the room.
Are Kyogrette/Groudonino up yet? If no, I'll play a few with Groudon.
Is Toxicroak a Kabutops counter? Same with Poliwrath?
Both are Immune to Waterfall, and resistant to both X-Scissor and Stone Edge.
Toxicroak also resists Brick Break.
Not to mention they both pack STAB fighting moves.
So unless Kabutops packs Return (or even Sash+Flail) then I don't see them dieing so easily.
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Also, let's bring up Roserade, as no1 talked about him yet...
Weatherball let's it get a boost (doubling from a Normal 50 BP move to a 100 BP move with its type according to the weather) in all weather conditions.
In addition, Roserade benefits from certain weather:
Rain : Is now nuetral to fire, AND gets a 100 + Rain Boost= 150 Base Power Special Water Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted STAB Surf, which lets it hit Fire types super effective off base 130 Special Attack. This literally means that under rain it can counter what would normally counter it.
Sun: It is now even more weak to fire (3x weak versus 2x), but gets a boost on Synthesis to heal 66%, and gets a 100 + Sun Boost = 150 Base Power Special Fire Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted STAB Flamethrower.
Weatherball now now lets it hit Ice types super effective off base 130 Base Special attack, not to mention Bug/Grass/Steel types that would normally switch in on its Grass moves. This means that Weather Ball with a base of 150 does more damage than a super effective Hidden Power (70 x 2 = 140). Also, Roserade can now switch into some of its former counters (Switch into Steel types that expect a Hidden Power Ice/Grass Knot, and take a Fire Weather Ball).
Additionally, Roserade gets to use its always STAB 120 Base Power (unless Sandstorm is in effect making it only 60 BAse Power), Solar Beam without charge.
Hail: Takes Hail damage, but gets a 100 Base Power Special Ice Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted Ice Beam. This lets it kill things that would normally counter Roserade: i.e. Flying, Dragon, and Grass types. (Scarf would probably be the best item). This also removes the need for it to have a Hidden Power Ice, freeing up its choices for having another Hidden Power.
Sandstorm: Takes Sandstorm damage, but gets a 100 Base Power Special Rock attack, essentially giving it a special version of Stone Edge with 100% accuracy! This also lets it kill things that would normally counter Roserade: i.e. Flying, Fire, and Ice types. Don't forget that Rock Weather Ball is the strongest special Rock attack in the entire game.
Both are Immune to Waterfall, and resistant to both X-Scissor and Stone Edge.
Toxicroak also resists Brick Break.
Not to mention they both pack STAB fighting moves.
So unless Kabutops packs Return (or even Sash+Flail) then I don't see them dieing so easily.
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Also, let's bring up Roserade, as no1 talked about him yet...
Weatherball let's it get a boost (doubling from a Normal 50 BP move to a 100 BP move with its type according to the weather) in all weather conditions.
In addition, Roserade benefits from certain weather:
Rain : Is now nuetral to fire, AND gets a 100 + Rain Boost= 150 Base Power Special Water Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted STAB Surf, which lets it hit Fire types super effective off base 130 Special Attack. This literally means that under rain it can counter what would normally counter it.
Sun: It is now even more weak to fire (3x weak versus 2x), but gets a boost on Synthesis to heal 66%, and gets a 100 + Sun Boost = 150 Base Power Special Fire Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted STAB Flamethrower.
Weatherball now now lets it hit Ice types super effective off base 130 Base Special attack, not to mention Bug/Grass/Steel types that would normally switch in on its Grass moves. This means that Weather Ball with a base of 150 does more damage than a super effective Hidden Power (70 x 2 = 140). Also, Roserade can now switch into some of its former counters (Switch into Steel types that expect a Hidden Power Ice/Grass Knot, and take a Fire Weather Ball).
Additionally, Roserade gets to use its always STAB 120 Base Power (unless Sandstorm is in effect making it only 60 BAse Power), Solar Beam without charge.
Hail: Takes Hail damage, but gets a 100 Base Power Special Ice Attack, essentially giving it an attack even stronger than an unboosted Ice Beam. This lets it kill things that would normally counter Roserade: i.e. Flying, Dragon, and Grass types. (Scarf would probably be the best item). This also removes the need for it to have a Hidden Power Ice, freeing up its choices for having another Hidden Power.
Sandstorm: Takes Sandstorm damage, but gets a 100 Base Power Special Rock attack, essentially giving it a special version of Stone Edge with 100% accuracy! This also lets it kill things that would normally counter Roserade: i.e. Flying, Fire, and Ice types. Don't forget that Rock Weather Ball is the strongest special Rock attack in the entire game.
I've decided to change how I implement turn-limited weather for the test. This is for several reasons.
1) I can create a new species, but it will be a pain to remove later. Any teams that refer to the removed species could cause problems for the server. I don't want that.
2) Since Pyroak is about to be implemented, I really don't want to "steal it's thunder" by having THREE new species added at the bottom of the list. I want Pyroak to be the "New" pokemon, not these weather-testing pokes.
3) New species are bound to draw attention from other users, and I really want this test limited to the testing team.
4) I considered adding Groudino and Kyogrette somewhere in the middle of the list (right after Groudon and Kyogre), to make them less conspicuous. But that may cause problems, since I've never done that before.
5) There's a MUCH simpler solution staring me in the face....
I'm just going to give Groudon and Kyogre each an additional new ability -- Dry Spell and Wet Spell.
If you want some visual indication of what you are facing we can just agree to use shinies for the turn-limited versions. Also, we can just agree to nickname the turn-limited versions as Groudino and Kyogrette, so the opposition will know.
If someone is building an uber team and stumbles on the new ability, that's fine. They'll quickly discover it sucks compared to Drizzle and Drought. Later, when the ability is removed, the server will handle it fine.
This will make a minimal impact on the server, Pyroak will be the new star of the show, and we can still test multiple forms of auto-weather. Let me know if you see any problems with this.
1) I can create a new species, but it will be a pain to remove later. Any teams that refer to the removed species could cause problems for the server. I don't want that.
2) Since Pyroak is about to be implemented, I really don't want to "steal it's thunder" by having THREE new species added at the bottom of the list. I want Pyroak to be the "New" pokemon, not these weather-testing pokes.
3) New species are bound to draw attention from other users, and I really want this test limited to the testing team.
4) I considered adding Groudino and Kyogrette somewhere in the middle of the list (right after Groudon and Kyogre), to make them less conspicuous. But that may cause problems, since I've never done that before.
5) There's a MUCH simpler solution staring me in the face....
I'm just going to give Groudon and Kyogre each an additional new ability -- Dry Spell and Wet Spell.
If you want some visual indication of what you are facing we can just agree to use shinies for the turn-limited versions. Also, we can just agree to nickname the turn-limited versions as Groudino and Kyogrette, so the opposition will know.
If someone is building an uber team and stumbles on the new ability, that's fine. They'll quickly discover it sucks compared to Drizzle and Drought. Later, when the ability is removed, the server will handle it fine.
This will make a minimal impact on the server, Pyroak will be the new star of the show, and we can still test multiple forms of auto-weather. Let me know if you see any problems with this.
Why make new, when you can Renew?
Why not just make the weaker versions of these pokemon get the temporary Dry/Wet Spell ability instead of even bothering with weaker/lower level versions of Groudon/Kyogre?
Specifically give it to Camerupt and Wailord.
This is the spread for the adjusted Groudon's stats (minus 30 each) in Dane's post on the first page:
70 / 120 / 110 / 70 / 60 / 60
Compare to Camerupt's natural Base Stat spread:
70/ 100 / 70 / 105 / 75 / 40
Camerupt has similar moves, has 30 less Base Stats (460) in total versus Groudon's (490), and just makes the most sense, as they are very similar in general. Camerupt is also good because he is immune to Sandstorm, but not too good because even under sunlight, he is still 2x weak to water in exchange for not having a Solar Beam (Grass) weakness like Groudon. Additionally, unlike Groudon, he is resistant to fire (which is the type he boosts), so it kind of makes him more like a Kyogre in the sense that he wont be as easily swept by his own type (barring Eqs).
Here is Kyogre's adjust stats ( minus 30 each)
70 / 70 / 60 / 120 / 110 / 60
Compare to Wailord:
170 / 90 / 45 / 90 / 45 / 60
While Wailord has a total of 500 in its Base Stats compared to Kyogre's 490 (10 more), but keep in mind Wailord does not get Thunder, does not get Calm Mind, nor does it have even close to the same base special attack. It does, however, get Selfdestruct, and the potential to attack from both sides.
Wailord can also serve Kyogre's purpose as a Scarf Water Spouter, which is nice to have as there is less change to expect.
*Dry/Wet Spell would be their ability, and would negate the need to discuss whether to give Eruption/Water Spout (as these both come with that move naturally).
Why not just make the weaker versions of these pokemon get the temporary Dry/Wet Spell ability instead of even bothering with weaker/lower level versions of Groudon/Kyogre?
Specifically give it to Camerupt and Wailord.
This is the spread for the adjusted Groudon's stats (minus 30 each) in Dane's post on the first page:
70 / 120 / 110 / 70 / 60 / 60
Compare to Camerupt's natural Base Stat spread:
70/ 100 / 70 / 105 / 75 / 40
Camerupt has similar moves, has 30 less Base Stats (460) in total versus Groudon's (490), and just makes the most sense, as they are very similar in general. Camerupt is also good because he is immune to Sandstorm, but not too good because even under sunlight, he is still 2x weak to water in exchange for not having a Solar Beam (Grass) weakness like Groudon. Additionally, unlike Groudon, he is resistant to fire (which is the type he boosts), so it kind of makes him more like a Kyogre in the sense that he wont be as easily swept by his own type (barring Eqs).
Here is Kyogre's adjust stats ( minus 30 each)
70 / 70 / 60 / 120 / 110 / 60
Compare to Wailord:
170 / 90 / 45 / 90 / 45 / 60
While Wailord has a total of 500 in its Base Stats compared to Kyogre's 490 (10 more), but keep in mind Wailord does not get Thunder, does not get Calm Mind, nor does it have even close to the same base special attack. It does, however, get Selfdestruct, and the potential to attack from both sides.
Wailord can also serve Kyogre's purpose as a Scarf Water Spouter, which is nice to have as there is less change to expect.
*Dry/Wet Spell would be their ability, and would negate the need to discuss whether to give Eruption/Water Spout (as these both come with that move naturally).
Camerupt and Wailord have nothing in common with Groudon and Kyogre.
Your own post makes it abundanty clear.
Furthermore, there's no point in adjusting already existing pokemon allowed in Standard/UU play. The reason we're using Groudon and Kyogre is because they are Uber and therefore banned from standard play.
Your own post makes it abundanty clear.
Furthermore, there's no point in adjusting already existing pokemon allowed in Standard/UU play. The reason we're using Groudon and Kyogre is because they are Uber and therefore banned from standard play.
What i've noticed during testing is that defensive versions of Omastar work extremely well in Rain and Sandstorm. In rain, Surf and speed is boosted, and in Sand, It's pitiful Special Defense is boosted, making it quite hard to take down sometimes. I'm going to try to take advantage of that and Kabutops in a Sand/Rain team.